I've seen few people mention success with vaping SD leaves, a lot would reject the idea "because you need a torch and go as hot as possible". I think it can work, and could be a really great ROA compared to chewing and smoking. But I think you also need a really god vape that can finish a bowl as quickly as possible - because of the short duration and because slow vapes also typically gradually decrese in strength during the session, so nearing the end you would just suck on it again and again and get very little effects. I have vapes that are powerful like that and can finish a weed load in 1-4 hits so I have made one report.
This topic needs more reports - it would be great for more people to add theirs, I don't want to make all of them myself, I'm probably not even going to make mroe reports in a while.
I made this thread to eventually compile a table of dosage/effects for vaping. And figure out how vaping SD should be done in the proccess.
(I hope I could edit this post forever so I could add more data as they come and not making update posts)
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PROS:Not as messy as weed, it's not sticky, doesn't leave aftertaste and resin in your stuff.
Seems to vape as quickly and easily as weed
No smoke harming your lungs (and the vapor is mild and transparent)
It's the smoothest mildest tasting ROA compared to smoking and chewing (only a mild bitter taste)
Seems to have similar trip duration as smoking.
CONS:A vape costs more than a lighter. But you could already own one. And it could last a long time. And might be worth it.
HYPOTHETICAL PROS (needs more data):Possibly even higher efficiency than smoking (needs more testing and comparisons)
HYPOTHETICAL CONS (needs more data):You probably need a powerful vape (convection and good quality) to finish the bowl as quickly as possible before the trip is over, ideally even before it begins.
Might take more than 1 hit to finish one bowl even with a good vape (needs more testing)
Maybe it still leaves resin in your vaporpath, but in much smaller quantites than weed
Effect rating scale:
http://sagewisdom.org/usersguide.htmlREPORTS:Individual 1:Weight: 70-80 kg
Material: 0.03g (3 tiny dried leaves, "ground" finely between fingers)
Vaporizer: E-Nano (convection, at power level 7), simple glass stem
Effect: SUBTLE-altered
Report: During first hit - quick mental flashback to though patterns of sub-breakthough DMT (glimpses of its ego-shattering powers?), got a vibe that I don't belong in this body and timeline and that I'm somewhere else. Was confused and stared into space like in that state for few seconds, then took 2 more hits, which didn't do much more. Observed a very subtle force pulling me towards bed no matter which way I was facing. No visuals. Felt weak, standing and holding things took more effort, felt like my grip was weak and I could easily drop the tem a was holding because it felt like my grip is weak and my sense of touch was weak. Lasted no more than few minutes. Probably a very subtle threshold trip, similar to my experiences on low doses years back, but milder. Not powerful enough to rule out placebo, but I don't think it was and that it was legit (and I wasn't expecting much). It didn't mess up my stem, didn't stick to it like weed and emptied easily, and I could vape weed with that stem afterwards without cleaning it and didn't notice any salvia aftertaste.
Individual 1:Weight: 70-80 kg
Material: 0.056g (dried plain leaves, mix of all sizes)
Vaporizer: E-Nano (convection, at power level 8, 2 good hits, stirred between them), through a small percolator bubbler.
Effect: LIGHT
Report: The first trip began very quickly, I entered the thought loops almost at the beginning of the first hit. This time, I finished the second hit and as I was thinking it's not working and maybe it really was placebo last time - it started.
I entered a powerful thought loop of reading a post on this page over and over, feeling a profound vibe from it, but not understanding its meaning. I forgot for a second I vaped the salvia already and was convinced for few seconds that I was just about to vape it and reality broke just from the expectation of that happening. I though reality was warinng me not to vape that salvia by breaking itself beforehand.
Very soon into the trip I remembered I did actually vape the salvia and it's happening right now. And the profound feeling or the sentence in front of me having some depp importance is fake and I'm just reading the sentence over and over like a tripping fool.
But I still kept reading it over over even after I realized that, I couldn't stop, I didn't really have much free will over it.
The repeating though loops were accompanied by visual folding of space into spirals, where my old body was folded into spacetime and an identical reality with my new body unfolded on the other end of the spiral and I started feeling connected to that new body and then it repeated slowly few few times, my old reality and body slowly drifting ways into the spiral while a new identical world with identical body slowly unfolded above it in that spiral. I didn't see any psychedelic like geometry and colors (except the folding of space itself, which felt very similar to the folding of DMT 3D pre-brakthrough CEVs). It all looked just the normal reality, but warped and folded into that spiral. Didn't last very long, felt ever shorter in duration than a DMT trip of equivalent intensity.
It was like entering a DMT sub-breakthrough, but with more confusion, almost no emotions (making it easier than psychedelics to calm down and tell myself that it's just a trip and I can wait it out), no colors and no other visual bells and whistles (just pure space folding), no carrier wave sound, similar overall vibe and the feeling of profound importance of anything my mind was currently focusing on. And no deep thinking and thought associantions like on psychedelics - thinking is mostly sober, normal and rational until the confusion takes over and I can't think at all or just think in automatic dumb thought loops.
Also few posts lower there is another report of this trip that I wrote just as I got back from it. This report was written like 10 minutes later.
Individual 1:Weight: 70-80 kg
Material: 0.086g (ABV from previous 2 attempt combined)
Vaporizer: E-Nano (convection, at power level 8, 3 good hits, stirred between them), through a small percolator bubbler.
Effect: none
Report: Tried to revape the ABV, got absolutely no effect. Even the ABV vaped on lower heat level (7) didbn't produce anything when vaped again on level 8. That means 2 good hits on level 7 vaporize absolutely everything that can be vaporized. In my next experiment I might try just one hit, and then try to revape that. To see if just one hit can be enough to get it all.
Individual 1:Weight: 70-80 kg
Material: 1 Beer + 0.04g + 0.02g + 0.04g + 0.06g
Vaporizer: E-Nano, level 8
Effect: ALRERED
[b]Report: Tried a dose that was just slightly bigger than the first one. If had pretty much the same effect as the first one, I felt significantly weakened, some mild salvia gravity and just like the first experience, I got a powerful flashback to the sub-breaktthrough folding. Not even sure if the DMT kind or salvia kind, the flashback wasn't visual, but I felt the visual awakened in my memory. Like when you smoke DMT at just suddeny remember everything. I just remembered the folding visuals I get on subbreakthroughs on salvia/dmt, like my entire world just splitting into slowly rotating pieces that make new dimensions unfold through their rotation, and thereare some liquid channels and watterfalls running through those rotating folding pieces and it feels like my entire being is folded into some new reborn me. I didn't see it, but I've felt it and vividly remembered it. And I know that if I took another hit or dmt I could actually go there and really see it happen.
I've actually felt drawn into it, and wanted more and go deeper (or just simply go into that folding kaleidosope at least for a minute), so I added more salvia, vaped, and not much more happened. So I loaded more, 0.04 again I think and vaped it. It still felt like it's not really working, then I sit down, relaxed and looked into this picture:
https://thewallpaper.co/...ple-mobile-wallpaper.jpg And the triangle arrangen in the spiral started slowly moving withing that spiral. And the pattern started continuing outside my display on the right side and I felt merging with it and it started
slowly winding mw up into that spiral. I realized what people mean by calling salvia low dose effects so... "subtle", and "fleeting". When you are not tripping way too hard, the effects are somehow strong yet at the same time it almost feels like you are jsut sober and nothing it happening at all. But then you relax and let go and it takes you into the spiral. But again it was somewhat weak and fleeting, that winding up only lasted for like half a revolution and then started weakening again. I kinda wanted to go there, felt really being drawin into that spiral with a dmt-like vibe. I was only sligthly afraid at the beginning when I got the flashback, but quickly all my fear stopped and I wanted to go there, and the closer I got to that sub-breakthrough winding up into the spiral the more I wanted to completely go there. I failed in that, even after I loaded 0.06g at the end. I didn't experience any reverse tolerance, if anything, it felt slightly liek anormal tolerance, that the 0.06g at the end could be stronger if I just vaped it at the beginning. It never was as powerful as the 0.056g trip I had for the second time. But maybe it's just the fleeting nature of the low-dose tripping. You really have to let go an make it happen, it was like I was trying too hard to feel the effects, that they just got shy and didn't show themselves. And they only come out when I stop looking for them and just sit back and relax and start thinking nothing is happening - then it starts sucking me in. Salvia is just so weird, it's like it always does the complete opposite you expect. When you don't expect effectz, you get them and when you do, you don't.
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Conclusion so far:
IT WORKS! The first trip was questionable, but the second one was no doubt very intense. Borderline out of body experience on just 0.056g of plain leaf. That should be at least the same potency as smoking if not higher! (also I'm pretty sure I don't have any reverse tolerance yet)
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Dosage table (WIP, a lot of estimations):
Code:1 batch of plain salvia leaf
13+ total experiences
3 people, 70-80 kg
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Level | Dose
SUBTLE | 20 - 40 mg (0.02 - 0.04 grams)
ALTERED | 30 - 60 mg (0.03 - 0.06 grams)
LIGHT | 50 - 100 mg (0.05 - 0.10 grams)
VIVID | 80 - ??? mg (0.07 - ???? grams)
IMMATERIAL | ??? - ??? mg (???? - ???? grams)
AMNESIC | ??? - ??? mg (???? - ???? grams)
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