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q21q21
#1 Posted : 11/11/2009 7:35:51 PM

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SWIM tried the food safe extraction with CaOH and Xylene.

The first time he got ~650 mg from 50g of pedro, which seemed great....

But was actually a terrible coincidence.

SWIM tried to salt out the mescaline in the fridge from the vinegar that was shaken with the green xylene.

After a couple hours SWIM decided to let it evaporate instead.
It was popped into the oven at 95 degrees Celcius for a couple hours.

SWIM was ecstatic to find slightly off-white precipitation which weighed out to ~650 mg

That was a 1.3% yield, very in the ballpark.
But from this current extraction SWIM thinks it was probably <600mg SALT and >50mg amber mescaline.

(He later evaporated saturated salt solution and it looked like what he thought the mescaline looked like T_T)


So that was the first one. Since SWIM believed he had great sucess with the first one he tried again but this time HE DIDN'T SALT IT.

To his great suprise he could only scrape after extracting 275g of powdered pedro,

ONLY 10-15 mg of amber waxy junk came out.

He tried heating it to luke-warm, since it was in the cold garage, and after 5 pulls, over a litre of Xylene he has about 40mg of mescaline only..


He then thought that if he watered down the cookie dough like mush he coule do a typical STB xylene extraction.

He proceed even though the dough did not mix fully. He added Lye and mixed and was pleased to see very green xylene.

and he got...

21mg of amber waxy goo.


SWIM is distraught with his mistake and really does not want to waste 275g of pedro which he has tested 30g of brew and was VERY SATISFIED.


So is he screwed because he put lime and the cactus won't dissolve.

Is an oven at 95 celcius enough to denature mescaline acetate?

Could he just buy some limonene and salvage the bowl of goop?


Any insights would be GREAT

Thanks all!
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#2 Posted : 11/11/2009 9:22:18 PM

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q21q21 wrote:
SWIM tried the food safe extraction with CaOH and Xylene.


This is a shame, and SWIM feels for your problem, but why on earth didnt SWIY just follow the far more simple REAL food safe tek..... SWIY must have had his reasons.... SWIM isnt sure how to help here brother, what does swiy have on hand now? a bunch of soggy cactus goop mixed with lime and xylene...and 'possible' mesc containing green xylene?

90 degrees c is very hot for acetate, this would definately have caused problems,
 
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#3 Posted : 11/11/2009 10:52:57 PM

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Hm...

It sounds very much like bad cactus to begin with. Was it acquired by a trustworthy vendor?
Xylene and CaOH should in theory do fine, and it should have definitely worked after the cactus dough was turned to a NaOH STB.

95 Celsius might also have been an overkill for mescaline acetate, but it couldn't have hurt the mescaline THAT much - unless mescaline acetate's boiling point is relatively low. SWIM remembers reading in the nexus that dmt acetate has a boiling point of close to 150C, mescaline acetate may also have a similarly low boiling point.


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#4 Posted : 11/11/2009 11:04:44 PM

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ahm.. just small question here... 'food safe xylene' ?!
 
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#5 Posted : 11/12/2009 12:47:31 AM

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SWIM is having a similar problem. He had some Pedro that was very active when taken as an encapsulated powder, but after STB extraction of ~170 g he only wound up with about 1 g of dark-colored resin that was barely active at 250 mg (even when combined with 3 datura seeds). Next weekend he is going to bioassay the remaining 0.7 g of the resin to see if it does anything at all...

He said he was going to try an acid cook on the remaining cactus goo, strain off the cactus material, evaporate down the remaining acidified water, basify it, and then extract again with limonene. Hopefully that will liberate the remaining alkaloids - there have to be more in there...


From now on, SWIM says he is just going to make resin with Pedro. He will only try an extraction on Torch.



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