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Doc Buxin
#41 Posted : 7/17/2018 11:59:47 PM

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woody wrote:
...You can be meditating with a flurry of thoughts coming in and out but accepting their presence, observing them and letting them go without attaching to them and getting caught up in them can still be called meditation...



This is very true woody. Great observation!Thumbs up
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#42 Posted : 7/19/2018 2:16:02 PM
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https://youtu.be/2RFZQjLMV6Y

😁 really enjoyed the direction this went
 
332211
#43 Posted : 7/20/2018 12:23:32 AM

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working with this at the moment, and getting pretty fast, stable results:

https://www.amazon.de/Mi...ndfulness/dp/1501156985

it may be the best guide to enlightenment, connecting ancient texts with neuroscience.

and it goes into detail, where the traps are laid out and how to avoid them.

i reached an almost stable focus on the breath in my first 60min session today (which, in the beginning, is pretty uncommon and mind-wandering is totally fine and part of the process), which i am pretty proud of. walking meditation is complementary advised, and it is necessary.

my progress so far is, that my awareness of the world gets sharper. dropping my smartphone helped in that too and my struggle with addiction gets a bit easier, although i have my bad days...

if you have any questions on the stages 1-3 or the apendizes, feel free to pm me.
 
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#44 Posted : 7/22/2018 9:57:59 AM

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This thread is really helpful, thank you so much DmnStr8.

I started my meditation practice with Jon Kabat-Zinn (mindfulness) but shortly after got involved with a Buddhist group who's practice was based on Lamrim. This basically involved a set of prayers/ritual practices and then a 20 minute analytical meditation on one of the Lamrim stages (for example, you may analyse the fact that you may die today/take lower rebirth in your next life etc). Having done the analysis you would try to come to a conclusion and focus single pointedly on it for a period of time. There are a number of different stages and you do the meditations on a cycle.

This is extrememly powerful.

It does, however, require faith in the Buddhist doctrine, which I had a bit (or a lot!) of a crisis with recently (I think some of you commented when I posted on here about it). So I would say the Lamrim is absolutely worth looking at but just be gentle with it...

Now I'm focusing on breathing meditation as a daily practice. I was very frustrated with this for a while (I also posted on here about that) but I've made some progress recently and this thread has helped a lot. I can see why a lot of people just give up on this because there are no immediate 'results' and it requires patience, something I struggle with massively hahaha.

What has helped me a lot has been to hear/read about people's experience of, with practice, finding peaceful states with this type of meditation. That has encouraged me to continue.

Thanks all Love




 
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#45 Posted : 7/22/2018 11:11:38 AM

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Tara,

Lamrim + analytical meditation sounds like a great tool to form solid motivation to begin/keep practicing.

The crucial stage of making progress is to develop regular practice. And regular means "cast in stone" regular. try to combine your practice with something, that you already do regularly for years, might be something really simple like brushing your teeth in the morning or taking a shower. Attach your desire to practice to that and it will be much easier.

The first chapter of the book i linked above goes into depth on developoing a practice, might definitly be worth your time.

alright, it is cushion time rigth now.
 
Wakinyan
#46 Posted : 7/22/2018 7:52:58 PM

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Some do walking mediations. Some use archery as meditation. Some use prayer songs, music, chi kung, inipi/sweat lodge, vision quests, etc. Grafting is one of my meditation practices.

I look at meditation the same way I look at different physical exercises. You might do pull-ups and that helps your back and arms. You might do pushups and that helps your chest and arms. Running for the heart. Deadlifts and squats for ones back. You put these practices together in a consistent manner and you develop strength. Your form improves.

All these things practices take the same thing to improve:

Desire
Will
Consistency
Time

Desire has to come from within. If you are constantly judging ones efforts or trying to reach 300 lbs on your exercises and you can barely move 45 lbs your likely going to loose desire.

For me, it is more effective to simply be content with the path rather than focusing on the destination. It is the path that I find exciting as the goal may or may not prove fruitful that day. Yes, there is a goal in mind, but it is the path that one must find ones happiness in. If the path does not bring you happiness then the goal soon becomes a moot point as time eats away at you.

Will is tied into desire in that if you are not finding peace or happiness through the path or practice you have chosen then your willpower will soon be over run.

Consistency only comes if one has desire and willpower. If one is missing then it is only a matter of time before the consistency starts to falter. Consistency is best maintained when the short term goals are focused more on quality of effort and one gives oneself rewards for quality of effort as well as consistency of effort with built in laziness days. Meaning, it is okay to sometimes give less quality of effort so long as the consistency remains true. An example of this is realizing that you don’t feel good one day and you have finally reached the point where you can push 200 lbs 10 times. You would do much better to push 200 lbs 1 time with quality effort and speed that day rather than miss a week of effort altogether. Miss enough and you will find yourself having trouble with half that weight in no time.

Time… everything comes or goes in time. Each day or moment in time is a choice as to what to do with your time. This ties into your intent, which can be focused intensely over time or with the use of pejuta.

So for me, pejuta becomes the one tool I may use to push through the barrier of time. Essentially giving a cheat or a push which might be looked at in weightlifting terms as doing a negative or forced reps. Pejuta allows for a magnification of sorts, but it may magnify the good and the bad… so it is important that intent and willpower are there when one chooses to utilize that boost.

Grafting is one of my personal tools for meditation as it is something I am happy doing. Now, I would love for each and every graft to come out perfect from the start. But that is not how it started. Very little is perfect the first time. If one judges oneself on some ideal that one can not reach then there will be little happiness and much frustration.

The path one chooses must be one that brings one happiness or you will find it is immensely harder to accomplish those goals one is after. The goals being secondary to the happiness one finds on the path. It is like a hybridizer who finds joy in pollinating a flower. Joy is found in watching the pod mature. More joy is found in watching the seeds go into the soil. And again, more joy is found as one watches the flowers unfold for the first time. And at the last moment, the flower itself is ugly. It is not what you wanted… but it is still beautiful to you as it is the journey that excited you. So, another round is done and another and the happiness and the focus comes more into play as one continues to refine and to learn from the path already taken.
When I graft you graft we graft
 
Doc Buxin
#47 Posted : 7/24/2018 12:15:10 AM

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Wakinyan wrote:
Some do walking mediations. Some use archery as meditation. Some use prayer songs, music, chi kung, inipi/sweat lodge, vision quests, etc. Grafting is one of my meditation practices.


Wakinyan wrote:
All these things practices take the same thing to improve:

Desire
Will
Consistency
Time



All very profound observations & advice there Wakinyan. I wholeheartedly agree and greatly appreciate your sharing this.

Wakinyan wrote:
...Grafting is one of my personal tools for meditation as it is something I am happy doing...



Creating beautiful bonsai trees is one of my main meditation tools, so I can relate.

Talk about having to have patience!

When I first got into it, about 20 years ago or so, a friend of a friend happened to be visiting and saw my (then rather small compared to now) bonsai tree collection that I had built special shelves for on our back porch. He made the comment, "bonsai, isn't that an old man's hobby?" I just looked at him quizzically and replied something like, "um, yes, I suppose that you could call it that, yes...". I could tell just from the guy's body language and tone of voice that he held very little patience for anything not immediately gratifying. I was slightly amused and thought about all my years of meditation and psychedelic work that had brought me to enter the world of bonsai trees and all the joy and wonder that the hobby brings to those who practice it.

Anyway,

May we all find our Peace
Freedom's so hard
When we are all bound by laws
Etched in the scheme of nature's own hand
Unseen by all those who fail
In their pursuit of fate
 
Simply_Me
#48 Posted : 7/25/2018 4:05:12 AM

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Great conversation. I love the real life applications because if there is a goal for me, it is to carry what I have learned into all aspects of my life.

Questions for you all:

Is the ability to have single minded focus for ____ (grafting, archery, cooking, gardening, etc.) the fruit of meditation or do you believe that anytime that you can achieve single minded focus you are meditating? Is there a difference between concentration and meditation?

Wakinyan, you state "Desire has to come from within" yet Happiness comes from small goals, achievement, being on the path, etc.

Do you see a contradiction here? I believe happiness must come from within by cultivating acceptance and gratitude for "what is" first before even considering what I desire. If I am not happy first then I attach my happiness to this "outside thing" and the path to achieve it. Waiver from that path and happiness is lost.

I like your post and what you have to say so please take no offence as none is intended.
I realize that no one book, one person, or even one ideology will have all the answers. I believe my job is to remain open yet discriminating. My intuition helps me discern truth, and wisdom helps me identify malicious intentions. Our friends in hyperspace have laughed and asked me why I keep looking outside for what exists within.
 
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#49 Posted : 7/25/2018 8:10:43 AM

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Is the ability to have single minded focus for ____ (grafting, archery, cooking, gardening, etc.) the fruit of meditation or do you believe that anytime that you can achieve single minded focus you are meditating?


*Every concious attempt* to keep your focus on an object *of your choice* is meditation. Therefor, training any skill is meditation.
The difference in training "just" meditation is, that you can put the sharpened focus you attain there *on any object*, no matter how interesting or dull it might appear to you. Meditation is the mastery of willingly directing focus and attention.


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Is there a difference between concentration and meditation?


Hmmm, the first chapter of "The Mind Illuminated" deals with this question. As far as I remember, concentration (focussing your attention exclusively on a single object) lacks two things: Introspective awareness (things that happen in your mind/thoughts that arise while you do the task) and peripheral awareness (the ability to take in other stimuli in your surroundings). So concentration is a good thing, but meditation goes deeper.

Somebody who can conenctrate pretty well has mastered about one third of the way master meditation. But as long as the person does not get proper training, s/he is "stuck" on this level.


 
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#50 Posted : 7/25/2018 8:47:46 PM

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332211 wrote:
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Is the ability to have single minded focus for ____ (grafting, archery, cooking, gardening, etc.) the fruit of meditation or do you believe that anytime that you can achieve single minded focus you are meditating?


*Every concious attempt* to keep your focus on an object *of your choice* is meditation. Therefor, training any skill is meditation.
The difference in training "just" meditation is, that you can put the sharpened focus you attain there *on any object*, no matter how interesting or dull it might appear to you. Meditation is the mastery of willingly directing focus and attention.


Quote:
Is there a difference between concentration and meditation?


Hmmm, the first chapter of "The Mind Illuminated" deals with this question. As far as I remember, concentration (focussing your attention exclusively on a single object) lacks two things: Introspective awareness (things that happen in your mind/thoughts that arise while you do the task) and peripheral awareness (the ability to take in other stimuli in your surroundings). So concentration is a good thing, but meditation goes deeper.

Somebody who can conenctrate pretty well has mastered about one third of the way master meditation. But as long as the person does not get proper training, s/he is "stuck" on this level.



Extremely well said 332211. Thank you.


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When we are all bound by laws
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Unseen by all those who fail
In their pursuit of fate
 
DmnStr8
#51 Posted : 7/26/2018 1:25:11 AM

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I got my first Tibetan singing bowl a few days ago! I love it! I got the 6th chakra bowl or also called the third eye chakra bowl. I thought it may further assist my DMT journeys, dreams, creativity and sleep. I always wanted one of these bowls and I think I am hooked! I want all seven chakra bowls now.

I found interest in obtaining these cool singing bowls after watching quite a few videos on a youtube channel called templesounds. Check out the channel! Really good stuff for meditation! Below is just one of many videos.

https://www.youtube.com/user/templesounds



"Your destiny and the destiny of every living being is to be who you truly are; divine beings full of love and light. Your purpose, and the purpose of every living being, is to heal, serve and love unconditionally in your own unique way." ~Don Juanito~
 
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#52 Posted : 7/26/2018 4:37:36 AM

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DmnStr8 wrote:
I got my first Tibetan singing bowl a few days ago! I love it!


in the past eight months I have been attending quit a few singing bowls sessions around my area and my Kundalini Yoga Teacher finishes our sessions with 15 minutes of them. The first time I heard them I woke with tears flowing and thought WOW... A woman in my community has many sets including gongs, Crystal bowls and Tibetan singing bowls and once a month does an hour long session with all of them.

Good luck with it

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