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Loveall
#1 Posted : 6/19/2018 8:32:00 PM

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Over the decades we have seen schedule I illegalization of nature turn into zero tolerance draconian sentencing of citizens and extremely violent SWAT home invasions. We have also seen groundbreaking treatments and novel health mechanisms that (arguably) should have been found decades ago.

During this time, politicians have remained irrationally in favor of established Marijuana laws, clearly the grips of some kind of legislative reefer madness. There are sad examples of politicians being victims of their own madness and suffering from horrible diseases like Alzheimer's which may be helped by the natural plant.

So are marijuana laws a dangerous gateway to tyranynical legislatiion and delays in scientific research?

Any thoughts? This is what I think:

Marijuana illegalization is a dangerous gateway law
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#2 Posted : 6/19/2018 8:45:55 PM

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Yes. Cannabis laws and "drug" laws in the US have always been racist and have always targeted the middle and lower classes, not the wealthy. They have also always protected and boosted the sales of Big Pharma. All laws to make illegal nature and natural plants are abhorrent and should be removed from all law books.
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#3 Posted : 6/19/2018 9:04:24 PM

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God point, there are powerfull parts of society who have made a lot of money and/or grown under the rules set by these abhorrent laws. It is not in their interest for the laws to be deprecated as we increase our knowledge of nature (or at least become aware of how ignorant we are to think we can illegalize an entire plant).

That makes the laws lucratively addictive for powerful interests.

This seems to support the claim that marijuana laws are a dangerous gateway. We seem to have elucidated a specific (monetary) mechanism of addiction to these dangerous gateway laws.
β€œ... (a) psychedelic substance occasionally causes psychotic behaviour in people who have not taken it.”
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#4 Posted : 6/19/2018 11:23:44 PM

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Even if it is, without knowing how much and being confident for its real dangers, there is no justification for putting repressive law into action.

Unfortunately, it takes decades of hard work to make the laws more rational but just a single case of irresponsible use to trigger all the mass-medial-political hysteria Crying or very sad

100 cases of car accidents under influence of alcohol, many lethal, EVERY day = normal, okay

1 case of someone injuring himself under influence of LSD ONCE A YEAR = see? BAD drugs!! should be banned

...we are so biased I almost lose hope in the humanity.
 
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#5 Posted : 6/20/2018 5:25:09 PM

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Talking about gateway laws: i fear that the criminalisation of tobacco may backfire on cannabis and other drugs.
Regardless of what you think of tobacco, many new laws are extremely illiberal. They completely deny any personal responsibility tobacco smokers have with regards to their own health and personall wellbeing.
Nobody realy dares to critisize these laws, because it's like a holy war and tobacco is evil and such.... but the idea that the government can decide what's best for you is realy dangerous imo.
 
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#6 Posted : 6/20/2018 10:06:17 PM

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Loveall wrote:
Marijuana illegalization is a dangerous gateway law

100% Agreement.

Prohibition of cannabis set a number of troubling precedents for many of the irrational and dangerous beliefs and behaviors that are foundational to many modern policies:

It gives rise to the idea that nature can be prohibited or controlled in the first place. This is sheer conceit.

It enables unjust law enforcement practices criminalizing non-violent citizens who have caused no harm.

It creates and fuels and black markets, artificially inflating the value of cheap, abundant, and benign commodities (plants).

It enables organized crime syndicates to form in order to meet black market demand and provides an illicit income stream to these organizations.

It encourages criminal activity as a survival means through lost economic and educational opportunity due to involvement with the criminal justice system.

It blurs the lines between plants and drugs allowing for coca and poppy to be miscategorized alongside their refined derivatives (cocaine and heroin).

Unfortunately, these precedents have become so ingrained into modern policy that it is difficult or even impossible to go back and change or correct many of these errors. The recent trend toward leagalization and decrminalization has been fairly successful in stopping the criminalization of ordinary citizens and made a small dent in cartel-backed cannabis growing and distribution operations, which is good to see.

However, the current legalization protocols are still contributing to cannabis being a big money industry, concentrating wealth and power into the hands a few large organizations. It's still illegal to plant a cannabis plant openly in your backyard garden without fences and locks in most legal locales. Legalization as it stands is a step in the right direction, but it's a far cry from true cannabis freedom.
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#7 Posted : 6/21/2018 8:06:12 AM

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If we are talking about the country that perfected slavery and that leads the world in drug consumption and incarceration; the land of the jailed and home of the terrified Amerikkka, there could be an argument made linking the mindset that made marijuana illegal in the first place to the law recently signed that sees so called illegal migrant children put in cages

So i don't know about the gateway. It's kind of a chicken and egg question now, purely academic, and the damage is done with decimated communities, tens of thousands lives and families destroyed and billions in lost potential dollars in local economies across the country. Now we are seeing glimpses of reason with several recreational legal states, which is great and we need to see that in the federal level but marijuana (ill)legalization is just the tip of the iceberg.

Activism is the new cool thing apparently and there are so many things to fight for and against in my country if we want to survive with any of the ideals that are increasingly becoming mythical that it was allegedly conceived and founded to achieve and not fall under our own internal pressures and divisions and xenophobic fear that saw pot made criminal in the early part of the twentieth century through the creation of the drug war late midcentury and the continued enforcement of the racist policies now.

EDIT: well, we gotta give a big hand to the rational lawmakers north of me in the great white north of Canada who have legalized rec weed for the entire country today.

6/21/18 RIP Canadian marijuana prohibition!

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#8 Posted : 7/2/2018 12:15:56 AM

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Thanks for the input everyone.

I've been thinking about the damage caused as some have mentioned.

Could these laws also be addictive? Let me explain:

Society is a complex system. Viewed as an organism it is constantly adapting. Whith this in mind, repeated abuse of these laws has affected the social organism as follows:

1) Creation and growth of government institutions and business practices due to the use of these laws. This creates an stong economical depence on marijuana laws. This is similar a physical addiction mechanism in addicts.

2) Distribution of propaganda where marijuana downsides are emphasized, exaggerated, and even lied about. Simultaneously, research is repressed, delayed, or ignored. This is equivalent to an addict lying to himself about his addiction.

3) Creation and growth of a violent criminal enterprise and heavy criminaliziton of consumers. . These are the damaging side effects of the law, equivalent to a person with liver damage due to alcohol abuse.

Overall, when society is viewed as an organism, it seems clear that criminal drug laws have a high potential for abuse and dependence with no recognized benefit.

A future more enlightened society would declare marijuana laws schedule I and abolish them. There will be withdrall symptoms (DEA restructuring, prison underpopulation, pharmaceutical industry adjustments, etc). It will be painful, but getting off marijuana laws is very important for society's long term health (in my estimation).
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