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#121 Posted : 6/7/2016 11:05:08 AM

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OP makes a great long story which I do not think is fiction, but it is psychosis and paranoia which are very real dangers from psychedelic use.

After my very first trips I had a voice in my head that appeared first thing in the morning. If (a) I had worried about this and focused on it, and/or (b) began to think this made me special or was conveying special powers - I could have gone the same way.

A fairly strong personality is needed I think, and although the psychosis/paranoia seems fairly rare on here, its not rare enough. We do I think need to help newbies to enjoy contact with entities, respect but not to take threats or gifts seriously. We are what we are, entities cannot change that - nor can they enhance it, we do that ourselves and owe those changes to nobody else.


anne halonium wrote:
i read this thread and most of it escapes me.
ive never met anything in hyperspace that could kick my ass.



Doc Buxin wrote:

I too, with 30+ years of heavy hallucinogen use under my belt, have been left with nothing but respect...

...not fear...

Peace


I'm a newbie at this stuff but I am with Anne and Doc. When I see something that looks like it crawled out of the rusty end of hell, I look at it and try to understand it - its a great part of the experience. I don't think some people realise how powerful they are, if you are being bullied in hyperspace its like Hodor getting bitch slapped by 3 year old. Not because the entities are weak, some may even be gods as we define them. But you are a god too especially in your own domain.

Western society has taught us to kneel, worship, cower and consider a system of authority. But the gods meet us as equals, and from what I can see there is no Authority, just experiences, emotion and interaction. When you kneel, worship and hand the keys over you are just asking for trouble.

Have you ever wondered what you would look like as an entity to others, your full personality fully symbolised and open to view? Who's to say we aren't just meeting each other in there. What is it we do in those periods we can't remember anyway?
I speak as if it were fact, but indeed this is just the insane ramblings of my ego - but my inner self seems to be nodding.
 

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Naut
#122 Posted : 1/10/2018 5:40:45 PM

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Why are some of you so quick to claim what is and isn't? Where is this audacity coming from? Sure you, and even the OP, have had experiences but where are you getting this entitlement to be the arbiter of absolutes?! The mere act of putting a warning sign post like this together needs to be thought about in a lateral-thinking way! The behavior some of you exhibit of just brushing this off as a joke is disheartening and scary. Please be careful out here in Pandoras box folks, things are strange.
those depictions aren't just depictions
 
Espurrr
#123 Posted : 1/10/2018 9:20:12 PM

what should i say, you already know everything


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Naut wrote:
Why are some of you so quick to claim what is and isn't? Where is this audacity coming from? Sure you, and even the OP, have had experiences but where are you getting this entitlement to be the arbiter of absolutes?! The mere act of putting a warning sign post like this together needs to be thought about in a lateral-thinking way! The behavior some of you exhibit of just brushing this off as a joke is disheartening and scary. Please be careful out here in Pandoras box folks, things are strange.

nothing can really hurt you, only "you" can hurt you Smile (this is why self-perpetuating subjects like this, even if really experienced by the OP, are dismissed)

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Naut
#124 Posted : 1/10/2018 9:26:23 PM

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Espurrr wrote:

nothing can really hurt you, only "you" can hurt you Smile

Such a naive response, I'm sorry.

those depictions aren't just depictions
 
Intezam
#125 Posted : 1/21/2018 12:32:06 PM

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Naut wrote:
Espurrr wrote:

nothing can really hurt you, only "you" can hurt you Smile

Such a naive response, I'm sorry.

Espurr is still very young now. Boyz are different from men...
 
Espurrr
#126 Posted : 1/21/2018 2:17:01 PM

what should i say, you already know everything


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Intezam wrote:
Naut wrote:
Espurrr wrote:

nothing can really hurt you, only "you" can hurt you Smile

Such a naive response, I'm sorry.

Espurr is still very young now. Boyz are different from men...

hello Big grin
eye have seen claims and experiences like this reoccur in many different fields
back when i was just getting to know meditation and jung's psychology, there were all sorts of people claiming this part of their shadow or something in their "thoughts" is harassing and hurting them etc.
later on while getting to know lucid dreaming and out of body experiences, there were the same claims, "something" in the astral plane is hurting me/ hunting me.
then being introduced to psychedelics, the same claims were being made, a "bad" trip, or alike this thread, a multi faceted harassing engine that keeps getting petrol in the tank (guess where that comes from)
when eye looked at these cases, it was like "someone(1)" beating themselves and pretending its "someone(1)" else
sound familiar? i think it does
last but not least, "freedom" does mean "you" can do absolutely "anything" (^ that too ^)

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Felnik
#127 Posted : 1/21/2018 3:38:09 PM

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Not this again
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
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Mister_Niles
#128 Posted : 1/21/2018 5:28:26 PM

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Felnik wrote:
Not this again



Apparently.

At least it gives me the opportunity to say: Despite the fact that many of us have had similar experiences in hyperspace and encountered similar entities and scenarios, the main thing I've learned is that we don't know shit about what's going on.

My life has been enriched by the cautious, conservative and intentional use of psychedelics. I've had difficult experiences. I have been frightened and confused by these experiences. I've been told to take breaks. Unlike the OP, I follow those suggestions.

I play with ideas like:
The entities are real.
They are aliens or gods.
I am actually traveling to other places and "dimensons".
I am a subroutine in a biological, universal computer and dmt is a command line that sends me back to the mainframe, where I am debriefed by agents... or whatever. I become god or the universe, but what's really happening is that I am given the ability to see this by the substances.

Often during periods of intentional work (that usually add up to a couple weeks a year) I start to see sychronicities stack up. Others around me notice them too. They comment on piles strange coincidences that occur during my daily psychedelic use. They are sometimes material reductionists or atheists who are fascinated,, and annoyed by the seeming manifestation of psychic phenomena. I don't know if these are real or if my pattern recognition is cranked up and that influences people around me. I just don't know.

When these things are going on, I PLAY with these ideas. If they begin to take hold and form beliefs, or I start to get too blissed out, I stop. I have people in my life (including psychiatric professionals) who know about my work and who have promised to alert me if they become alarmed. I think having safeguards in place is an important thing.

Allowing myself to be immersed in these prolonged states of strangeness are helpful to me. they help me believe in magic as much as I disbelieve in it. They help me see the contrast between the mundane and the metaphysical.
Do I know that either one is valid? No. I do not. But I will continue to explore until I'm too old or no longer have the desire.

As far as these states opening us up to control by hyperspace entities... If there are beings who are so powerful and advanced, they are already manipulating us. They don't need to trick monkeys into eating plants to do so.
I seriously doubt they would even let us know they were doing it. If they did, they would have to deal with people like OP fighting back.

OP either posted a work of fiction based on some real experiences, or has a touch of hypergraphia and mania/paranoia, helped along by reckless overuse of psychedelics.
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#129 Posted : 2/2/2018 8:15:59 AM

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The Cone Nebula is an H II region in the constellation of Monoceros. It was discovered by William Herschel on December 26, 1785, at which time he designated it H V.27. The nebula is located about 830 parsecs or 2,700 light-years away from Earth. The Cone Nebula forms part of the nebulosity surrounding the Christmas Tree Cluster. The designation of NGC 2264 in the New General Catalogue refers to both objects and not the nebula alone.

The diffuse Cone Nebula, so named because of its apparent shape, lies in the southern part of NGC 2264, the northern part being the magnitude-3.9 Christmas Tree Cluster. It is in the northern part of Monoceros, just north of the midpoint of a line from Procyon to Betelgeuse.

The cone's shape comes from a dark absorption nebula consisting of cold molecular hydrogen and dust in front of a faint emission nebula containing hydrogen ionized by S Monocerotis, the brightest star of NGC 2264. The faint nebula is approximately seven light-years long (with an apparent length of 10 arcminutes), and is 2,700 light-years away from Earth.

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#130 Posted : 5/13/2018 9:13:35 PM

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I replied in this thread in 2014 (page 3), saying mainly that not everything is black and white, and that not all of these entities are bad, yadda yadda.

I'm just making an update to what I wrote back then, to say that I've been bitten by the entities, hard, much like the OP has. Life sucks for me right now, because I believed them.

Before you tell me "you should have taken your own advice and not trust them", please know that I did so. The way they got around the problem was that they did to me what the OP briefly mentioned too: soul surgery (or just plain hypnosis suggestions, take your pick). They added a trigger, and when the trigger occurred (July 22nd, 2017), that was it for me. I was a mindless drone from that point, working hard to achieve the goal that I was insinuated to that I could reach (I could list you a whole range of CRAZY coincidences too around that time, architected to make me believe the deception). I only realized all that months later, when the whole thing had blew up in my face.

So yeah, I have zero trust for _any_ of them anymore. They're a control system. And we're cattle. Even the people who don't have direct, conscious access to these entities like many of us on this forum do, they're also controlled. They just don't know it. There's no escape IMHO. Just like there's no escape for cows or chickens in an automated industrial factory. Just because some of the animals there might not have seen the farmer, doesn't mean that the farmer doesn't exist or doesn't impose his will.
 
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#131 Posted : 5/16/2018 12:41:38 AM

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Handel wrote:
... They're a control system. And we're cattle. Even the people who don't have direct, conscious access to these entities like many of us on this forum do, they're also controlled. They just don't know it. There's no escape IMHO. Just like there's no escape for cows or chickens in an automated industrial factory. Just because some of the animals there might not have seen the farmer, doesn't mean that the farmer doesn't exist or doesn't impose his will...




And once in a while, perhaps one in one million cows or chickens receives some Grace from the Universe, or is more observant due to its genetic makeup, or had been through too many previous incarnations of this same, blasted scenario and wakes up to, or becomes conscious of, the fact of what the situation is, and they plan and execute their escape from the crazy wheel of the automated industrial factory.

Yea!

The End
Freedom's so hard
When we are all bound by laws
Etched in the scheme of nature's own hand
Unseen by all those who fail
In their pursuit of fate
 
Eaglepath
#132 Posted : 5/26/2018 9:06:08 AM

I rather root my values in my own hallucinations than in society´s neurotic illusions..


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And this maybe could lead to a new thread: A warning to my fellow citizens of going through life and not take psychadelics to reveal the "cattle concept" Pleased
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#133 Posted : 5/26/2018 9:10:51 AM

I rather root my values in my own hallucinations than in society´s neurotic illusions..


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And dont be so hard on yourselfs.. We do not have any control.. You are today exactly where you shall be. If the entities put you in this state of life, just accept it and smile. The value of the state its only a creation of your ego.

All is divine teaching, we just need to learn how to see clearly and it always reveals.

Love conquer all!
"A Guru is no real Guru and a real Guru is no Guru" - Eaglepath
 
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#134 Posted : 5/26/2018 5:50:59 PM
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I'm glad i don't see or focus on entities/visuals. I think it's such a silly thing to focus on. There's way more going on with these tools than possible entities/visuals, and frankly i think some people are just gullible and not skeptical enough. For me Psychedelics are all about the physical, the mental, the emotional and the spiritual, but nothing having to do with entities or closed eyed visuals, i'm very glad, because i'm not distracted and easily swayed like some are apparently. I do not believe in bad spirits or demons or anything like that, and i know, they could possibly be real, but i think it's only real for those who truly believe in them, i don't believe in them and will not unless i truly encounter one and can then make up my own mind whether i think it's real or not.

Don't focus on entities and visuals, focus on everything else the tools can do for us. You have more control over your minds than you think.
 
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#135 Posted : 5/27/2018 4:29:29 PM

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ShamensStamen wrote:
I'm glad i don't see or focus on entities/visuals. I think it's such a silly thing to focus on. There's way more going on with these tools than possible entities/visuals, and frankly i think some people are just gullible and not skeptical enough. For me Psychedelics are all about the physical, the mental, the emotional and the spiritual, but nothing having to do with entities or closed eyed visuals, i'm very glad, because i'm not distracted and easily swayed like some are apparently. I do not believe in bad spirits or demons or anything like that, and i know, they could possibly be real, but i think it's only real for those who truly believe in them, i don't believe in them and will not unless i truly encounter one and can then make up my own mind whether i think it's real or not.

Don't focus on entities and visuals, focus on everything else the tools can do for us. You have more control over your minds than you think.


Love This!

Well said.. I call them side shows. The main attraction is much more than the side shows.
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Eaglepath
#136 Posted : 5/27/2018 4:56:27 PM

I rather root my values in my own hallucinations than in society´s neurotic illusions..


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Meditation is key.. find the focus and hold on! Dive into the clarity and the depths of knowledge will reveal!Pleased

Same with life..
"A Guru is no real Guru and a real Guru is no Guru" - Eaglepath
 
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