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#1 Posted : 4/25/2018 6:15:54 PM

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What should be the dosage to get a little bit of the deliriant effect?
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#2 Posted : 4/25/2018 7:20:57 PM

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I've experimented a lot with nutmeg.

The dosages I found online are much lower than the ones I tried, so I suggest you start with a low dose of something like 5 grams and then slowly work your way up.

For me, a tea made from 20 grams of nutmeg makes for a strong cannabis-like high with a slightly more psychedelic headspace and more trippy thoughts than cannabis, but also more negative effects like cottonmouth and dizziness. It's not much of a deleriant in my opinion, at least not in this dosage.
This is equivalent to about 10-15 grams of nutmeg if I ingest it without any preparation.

I always use freshly ground nutmeg, because I find it has a much stronger effect than the pre-ground stuff.

I want to stress once more that you should try a much lower dose first, and slowly work your way up. Nutmeg is very long-lasting and should be approached with caution.
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#3 Posted : 4/25/2018 7:39:29 PM

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I've posted a fair amount on nutmeg as well. My recommendation is to make a tincture from high-quality, freshly ground nutmeg kernels in 90% ethanol. I'll see what links I can find as there's been some usefully discussion in this field here already. There's a number of tricks for improving efficacy as this is determined by metabolic and absorptive factors.

Nutmeg, IME, is a superb potentiator for a number of classical psychedelics.

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I want to stress once more that you should try a much lower dose first, and slowly work your way up. Nutmeg is very long-lasting and should be approached with caution.

This is really important. In Chinese medicine, nutmeg is regarded as a medium-strength remedy with some chronic toxicity. Due to the way it is/can be metabolised, this is not to be taken lightly. I feel it is possible it may even trigger autoimmune diseases, but for now that's strictly anecdotal.

Attached is a short paper on some of my early experiences.
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#4 Posted : 4/25/2018 9:34:54 PM

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Attached is a short paper on some of my early experiences.


Thanks for writing that paper, very interesting! The effects you mention with the tincture seem very different from anything I ever experienced with nutmeg tea or raw nutmeg. Do you think this is just due to individual differences in body chemistry or do you think making the tincture does something to the active chemicals to change their structure in any way?
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#5 Posted : 4/25/2018 9:56:57 PM

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(I've made this my official nutmeg (and phenylpropene-containing herb) related index post. If you come across other threads that you feel are relevant but which aren't listed below, please let me know!)

Links:

Nutmeg Infused Olive Oil
Compendium for LEGIT[I]MATE nut[m]eg information
Whole Nutmeg while on an MAO-A Inhibitor
Space Paste Thread
Acorus calamus overdose
Space Paste Chocolates
Nutmeg Constituents are Mildly Soluble in Water
wormwood extract
Sweet flag root
Essential Oils and Entheogenic Use
Absinthe - recipe
Space Jam (Space Paste) - A Legal Psychedelic Recipe
Elemi Booster?
Psychedelic Hot Chocolate Recipe
Piperine: The opener ?
Elemi and blue chamomile bioassays
Is safrole psychedelic?
69Ron's "Triple E" Tech for Elemicin Extraction from Elemi Oil
Strengthen elemi trips via internal ammonia production, physical exertion?
Nutmeg - The Worst Hallucinogen Ever?
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Do you think this is just due to individual differences in body chemistry or do you think making the tincture does something to the active chemicals to change their structure in any way?

Besides my likely highly anomalous metabolism, it's about dose and bioavailability. I think certain bioactive lignans are made available in the tincture that modulate the experience in this way. These would normally remain in the nutmeg solids. These substances affect cytochrome enzymes as detailed in the paper attached below.
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#7 Posted : 4/25/2018 10:07:41 PM

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Here's a paper about the metabolism of nutmeg phenylpropenes in humans.
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This is really important. In Chinese medicine, nutmeg is regarded as a medium-strength remedy with some chronic toxicity. Due to the way it is/can be metabolised, this is not to be taken lightly.



I concur.

I once posted a considerate warning regarding this on one of the nutmeg threads here in the forum. It was met with a "huh? What are you talking about? I just wanna get high man" kind of attitude.

I can only sigh and shake my head when people start fooling around with substances that they haven't taken the time to research properly.


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#9 Posted : 4/26/2018 4:16:24 PM
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awesome thread. i tried nutmeg once or twice as a teenager but sadly to no avail. i have one or two whole nutmegs in the spice cabinet though that are many years old. im pretty sure they would preserve the alkaloids well (or maybe not? Wut? ). even had an acetate extraction at one point as well but i dont believe it was ever bioassessed Sad .

this thread among others have resparked my interest in nutmeg and im hoping to get some more at some point. yet the idea of people saying it can be a deliriant makes me uneasy. a lot of people describe it as a cannabis like high but with psychedelic/deliriant side effects. do people have any true consensus on weather nutmeg provides an enjoyable high or is it very subjective on set and setting and the user in question (my assumption is the latter)?

clearly the only true way for me to know is to find out for myself Big grin
 
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Nutmeg is what it is. And for god's sake, make a tincture like I say. With fresh kernels. There's no point in being lazy about this stuff.

I'll dump a bunch of reading material here too.

Nutmeg alkaloids are considered to be a negligible factor in the effects - but considering nobody has bothered to find out what they are, well, it would be great to know. Some members of the Myristicaceae produce tryptamines.
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#11 Posted : 4/27/2018 8:12:37 PM

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...I'll dump a bunch of reading material here too...



See how kind downwardsfromzero is? Love He gives you this^^^^ kind of stuff to dig into!

We are all so lucky to have him around here! Thumbs up

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#12 Posted : 4/28/2018 11:46:08 AM
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right on im most certainly interested to browse this information more in depth when the time is right. nutmeg is quite an interesting psychoactive indeed and I have heard of it being used in forms of a snuff many generations ago.
 
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right on im most certainly interested to browse this information more in depth when the time is right. nutmeg is quite an interesting psychoactive indeed and I have heard of it being used in forms of a snuff many generations ago.

For the sake of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, don't snort nutmeg powder!!

I can attest that this is nearly as much of a dumb idea as that of eating tablespoons of the stuff. All it does is make pain and long-term sinus problems.
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See how kind downwardsfromzero is? Love He gives you this^^^^ kind of stuff to dig into!

We are all so lucky to have him around here! Thumbs up

Knock yourself out Cactus Man! (figuratively speaking only, of course!)

Embarrased Love That is so kind of you to say! Means so much to me Crying or very sad Love
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Doc Buxin wrote:
I once posted a considerate warning regarding this on one of the nutmeg threads here in the forum. It was met with a "huh? What are you talking about? I just wanna get high man" kind of attitude.


It was here.
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Sorry (again!) for cross-posting, this is important:
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Just dumping this video here:


Highly relevant, be warned if you're sensitive/squeamish!
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#17 Posted : 12/23/2020 7:56:04 PM

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I actually have a decent amount of experience with nutmeg, as a pre-ground powder. I never got effects from oil although I suspect it was a shitty oil with myristicin/elemicin left out or intentionally removed :/ Made me nauseous and that was that. Also didn't use the triple E tech.

I usually prepare about 15 grams of powdered nutmeg and leave it with ~ 7-10 grams of black pepper in hot water for an hour, strain solids drink liquid. Now this doesn't remove the trimyristin as trimyristin's boiling point is just over half that of water. But its water solubility isn't great, but it seems to float to the surface with many of the other oils. Mad

It has always been extremely pleasant with the only side-effect being dry mouth, throat, and sinuses. It has also made me constipated which I believe these side effects are a result of anti-cholinergic activity. Euphoria, similar to cannabis in its character, fish eye effect, sense of weightlessness, mood lift, confusion. Good fun. I don't do it on its own anymore, it REALLY shines when in combination with harmala alkaloids and LSD. Goddamn is it wonderful. It really potentiates both the harmaline/harmine and the LSD. It is such a synergistic combination I was spiralling into a negative trip with anxiety because it was coming on so fast and strong, the confusion from the nutmeg was not helping. But then, as I reached the peak the sheer amount of euphoria pulled it from hell and sent me to heavenLove Thumbs up
10/10 experience, the afterglow from 200ugs, 9 grams nutmeg (tea form), and 2.5g Peganum harmala was extraordinary. Haven't experienced anything quite that great!

In fact I'm repeating the process with a little more nutmeg, peganum harmala, and 300ugs LSD christmas morning (~2:00a.m.)
 
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Just noticed your post here, Lemon Flip. Thanks for sharing.

I've had some fantastic times with nutmeg tincture as a pre-dose adjunct to mushrooms or cactus. More colours, more euphoria, socialization intact (which can otherwise be a problem for me with shrooms [yes, set and setting also Embarrased])

Nutmeg and shrooms was the only time I had the ground waving up and down like a roller-coaster. The only downside was my belly hurt from laughing so much Laughing

Interesting also that you've had the balls to combine nutmeg and harmalas. I think there's a thread for that combo: Whole Nutmeg while on an MAO-A Inhibitor (found courtesy of my nutmeg index post, above Big grin )
If there's anything further you have to add about it your contribution would be most welcome.

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