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#221 Posted : 10/29/2016 11:46:49 PM

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how on earth do you people manage to weigh your doses with something so absurdly sticky?

You ain't seen some of the crystals that people are capable of making, clearly!
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#222 Posted : 10/30/2016 12:28:07 AM
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the crystals themselves are crazy sticky. just moving them from one container to another spreads out some of your material in whatever you use to move them.

I suppose I'm probably a rookie but I go with moving them as little as possible, ever, then just eyeballing an amount and toking small at first to see where it's gonna get me.

I can't even imagine the ordeal of trying to smoke up and weigh doses for 3-4 of your friends all in a row.
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#223 Posted : 10/30/2016 2:45:12 AM

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Nope wrote:
the crystals themselves are crazy sticky. just moving them from one container to another spreads out some of your material in whatever you use to move them.

I suppose I'm probably a rookie but I go with moving them as little as possible, ever, then just eyeballing an amount and toking small at first to see where it's gonna get me.

I can't even imagine the ordeal of trying to smoke up and weigh doses for 3-4 of your friends all in a row.


Then your DMT is turning to goo because it is polymorphous. If you keep it air tight in the freezer it will stay dry and not sticky. Out of the freezer and in a normal container it might last a couple days - weeks before it starts turning to goo (no loss of potency).

You can weigh up a little piece of herb, then rub that in the sticky icky dmt and then weigh it up again if it is too problematic or re-dissolve in naphtha and refreeze precip.
 
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#224 Posted : 10/30/2016 7:27:11 PM
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ah! thank you. I'm not really worried about it but I will keep that in mind.
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#225 Posted : 10/31/2016 11:55:37 PM

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iracema wrote:
I've been following some interesting threads like the vaping guide, the enhanced leaf guide, and now the dabbing ideas comming out.
The main points I learned to determine efficient breakthrough is temperature control, not to burn the spice, and spread it on a large enough surface, for better drag per hit.
So after hand on a device with temp control, tested some alternatives like stainless mesh, ceramic beds, enhanced flowers and changa.
All good in their ways, but what showed up best IMO is kind of a mix from vaporizing/dabbing, with some little 2-4mm lab glass balls, quite cheap, inert, discrete and easy to clean.
The spice seems to spread all over the glass surface as it heats up, with a great room for air flow between them, about 20-50mg goes easily in one bit hit at around 190C.
It's smoking balls literally guys, yet just another idea to play with.
Regards everyone and thanks for all the learning.


That is very interesting Iracema, I also saw some of your old threads about your Vapir No2. I searched for the Ascent vaporizer that you said you have but the chamber doesn't look as big as what you posted. Could definitely not put glass beads in there.

Do you put it in and then heat it up or heat it up and then dissolve it? I can't imagine how it would work without you burning it because it can't dab as it would take to long to create hot air needed for the dmt to float on and vaporize.


Hey! The heating chamber of the Ascent is in fact an elliptic cylinder, the volume is V=(3,14)x(0,8cm)x(0,4cm)x(1,5cm), so V=1,5cm^3. The glass beads are 3mm, that gives 0,15cm radius, with a volume of V=(4/3)x(3,14)x(0,15cm)^3, so V=0,014cm^3. To see how much beads would fit the chamber, lets divide the chamber dimensions by the beads dimensions, like V=(3,14)x(0,8cm/0,3cm)x(0,4cm/0,3cm)x(1,5cm/0,3cm), that gives V=(3,14)x(2 beads)x(1 bead)x(5 beads), so the chamber fits loosely at least around V=31 beads. The volume they fill is V=31x0,014cm^3=0,43cm^3, barely 1/3 of the chamber's volume, leaving 2/3 for air flow. The area from each bead is A=(4)x(3,14)x(0,15cm)^2, so A=0,282cm^2, that gives a total area of A=31x0,282cm^2=8,7cm^2, for the spice to spread on (almost like a flat surface of 3cmx3cm), with plenty air flow passing by. It's good to pre heat the chamber before put the spice on the beads, with a sharp needle moving around the beads as the spice melts and spreads. Then close the chamber, set the desired temp and enjoy.It's not dabbing really, only gives a convection touch to it, at 180°C to 190°C is a smooth intake, but up to 200°C or even more wont hurt.
 
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#226 Posted : 11/1/2016 5:46:08 AM

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iracema wrote:
fathomlessness wrote:
iracema wrote:
I've been following some interesting threads like the vaping guide, the enhanced leaf guide, and now the dabbing ideas comming out.
The main points I learned to determine efficient breakthrough is temperature control, not to burn the spice, and spread it on a large enough surface, for better drag per hit.
So after hand on a device with temp control, tested some alternatives like stainless mesh, ceramic beds, enhanced flowers and changa.
All good in their ways, but what showed up best IMO is kind of a mix from vaporizing/dabbing, with some little 2-4mm lab glass balls, quite cheap, inert, discrete and easy to clean.
The spice seems to spread all over the glass surface as it heats up, with a great room for air flow between them, about 20-50mg goes easily in one bit hit at around 190C.
It's smoking balls literally guys, yet just another idea to play with.
Regards everyone and thanks for all the learning.


That is very interesting Iracema, I also saw some of your old threads about your Vapir No2. I searched for the Ascent vaporizer that you said you have but the chamber doesn't look as big as what you posted. Could definitely not put glass beads in there.

Do you put it in and then heat it up or heat it up and then dissolve it? I can't imagine how it would work without you burning it because it can't dab as it would take to long to create hot air needed for the dmt to float on and vaporize.


Hey! The heating chamber of the Ascent is in fact an elliptic cylinder, the volume is V=(3,14)x(0,8cm)x(0,4cm)x(1,5cm), so V=1,5cm^3. The glass beads are 3mm, that gives 0,15cm radius, with a volume of V=(4/3)x(3,14)x(0,15cm)^3, so V=0,014cm^3. To see how much beads would fit the chamber, lets divide the chamber dimensions by the beads dimensions, like V=(3,14)x(0,8cm/0,3cm)x(0,4cm/0,3cm)x(1,5cm/0,3cm), that gives V=(3,14)x(2 beads)x(1 bead)x(5 beads), so the chamber fits loosely at least around V=31 beads. The volume they fill is V=31x0,014cm^3=0,43cm^3, barely 1/3 of the chamber's volume, leaving 2/3 for air flow. The area from each bead is A=(4)x(3,14)x(0,15cm)^2, so A=0,282cm^2, that gives a total area of A=31x0,282cm^2=8,7cm^2, for the spice to spread on (almost like a flat surface of 3cmx3cm), with plenty air flow passing by. It's good to pre heat the chamber before put the spice on the beads, with a sharp needle moving around the beads as the spice melts and spreads. Then close the chamber, set the desired temp and enjoy.It's not dabbing really, only gives a convection touch to it, at 180°C to 190°C is a smooth intake, but up to 200°C or even more wont hurt.


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I was confused because there appears to be different looking chambers with some of them:





The last photo looks similar to yours you posted, at least in the top shaft. Does packing it in the top shaft mean you have tip it upside down, unscrew it, load the dmt in to the top part, keep it upside down and screw it back up, flip it and vape?

If you were to load say 500mg in there, is there anyway you could vape 10mg at a time? Perhaps with a lower temp setting? Or would it be too risky?

The beauty of E-cig vapes is you can load 1g in and take small hits for a long time but the problem is it is harsher to breath in than your method because of the PG/VG
 
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#227 Posted : 11/1/2016 6:15:14 PM

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Yeah you're a bit confused I see.
Not 500mg but it holds about 100mg at a time, when with friends, each one pulls what feels enough, goes fine for say a 4-5 people circle.
It wont hurt if heat/pull only when needed, the excess spice stay spread on the beads inside the chamber, until it eventually runs out, only builds up residue with time.
If this method wont suit you or can't figure it out, just keep up with what works for you.
Eliquids and dabbing are awesome ways to go, really will try sometime.
 
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#228 Posted : 1/31/2017 10:00:50 AM

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Thanks to the contributors of this thread - awesome info.

I'm interested in trying out a portable enail for dabbing DMT and 5-MeO-DMT.

Would you think this could work: loading the nail at room temperature and then heating up? It would for sure not make the Leidenfrost Effect happen - but I guess the spice would still vaporize? I'm thinking it would maybe not vaporize quickly enough with DMT but with 5-MeO-DMT it might work? (I only need 10mg to break through).
 
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#229 Posted : 4/21/2017 2:18:16 PM

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zikzak wrote:
Thanks to the contributors of this thread - awesome info.

I'm interested in trying out a portable enail for dabbing DMT and 5-MeO-DMT.

Did any of you try this ROA? And would you think this could work: loading the nail at room temperature and then heating up? It would for sure not make the Leidenfrost Effect happen - but I guess the spice would still vaporize? I'm thinking it would maybe not vaporize quickly enough with DMT but with 5-MeO-DMT it might work? (I only need 10mg to break through).



True that, but you should ensure nothing more than 10 mgs of 5 MEO DMT.
I have tried both, i personally feel best to heat the quartz banger from underneath to red hot (45 seconds) and then let it cool for a minimum 45 seconds (more like a low temo dab), throe in the spice and inhale deeply and slow. Should do the trick brother !!
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