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#1 Posted : 4/16/2017 1:11:13 AM

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I've heard reports of people being more sensitive to psychedelics after a single ayahuasca experience, but I myself had plenty more.

The thing is, I noticed another layer of psychodelia that covers my acid trips. Even though it still feels kinda like acid, the experience is distinctively different (I have visuals that are almost identical to those of DMT/ayahuasca and a different but similar headspace). I expected that to happen though, but I'm not really sure if I'm getting better gear or did I become super sensitive to psychedelics.

The acid I take is usually rated at 100ug, but it feels more like 200ug. I get full blown psychedelia, visuals that cover my whole view and the world looks like a giant melted painting. Some would call this "cartoon land" since the trees look symmetrical and like they have been painted with a paint brush which they obviously haven't. It is impossible they look all the same from the distance.

The duration is also a bit longer, I can say I'm feeling it for up to 12h after ingestion, and another 4 of closed eye visuals and after effects, but pass 12h I can usually fall asleep.

I remember my first acid trip that was rated at 115ug. My source told me it was 115ug but it felt stronger than that. Compared to what I'm experiencing now, this was a walk in the park. On my first acid trip, I had that "on acid" feeling but nothing visually to spectacular besides some color enhancements, a bit of tracers and slight morphing that I would notice if I only sat down and concentrated. It left me wanting for more, so my next trips were at 200ug and more, which felt more like it.

For more than a year I perceived 100ug to be as "half tripping". Good for beginners, but not quite there until I started experimenting with ayahuasca from which point it was never the same again. My source also changed since than, and I find it hard to believe I got that sensitive. I'm not really sure what is happening, but it seems to work out pretty good for me.

Is there something specific that happens to the brain after an ayahuasca session or am I one of the lucky individuals that get more potent gear than rated? Worth to note, a friend of mine who drank the same ayahuasca as I did noticed that too, but than again we share our psychedelics and trip together often too.
 

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#2 Posted : 4/16/2017 6:34:32 AM

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It seems that the extended DMT trip that Ayahuasca allows has a fair possibility of doing something to the brain that could be considered rewiring or altering code. Many psychedelics have this quality, but not as pronounced as Ayahuasca. These things often stop addictions and that alone exposes their potential to change our brains. That is just the tip of the iceberg. Ayahuasca has huge potential to invoke personal change.

For myself, the big change was completely quitting alcohol and tobacco but I have noticed qualitative differences in my trips as well. I seem to be perceiving more of a pulsating or vibrating quality. I chalk it up to being more receptive to it. My Ayahuasca and pharmahuasca trips have a heavy pulsating effect to them and this might have made me more perceptive to it on other substances.

I see Ayahuasca and pharmahuasca as heavy machinery of the psychedelic tool chest and this is why I see it as dangerous to view them as a panacea. I think the psychedelics community as a whole does a pretty good job of seeing them as "serious business", but a truly horrendous job in vetting out unsubstantiated or circumstantial claims about Ayahuasca's efficacy in treating everything and anything imaginable.

People in the Amazon may have been using this stuff for thousands of years, but we are just on the cusp of understanding how it works or what it does exactly.
 
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#3 Posted : 4/16/2017 6:47:08 AM

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I can't comment on the aya as I've never done it. But I have been doing acid for a very long time and I can assure you 100ugs is an immersive experience. It is by no means "half tripping". For a long time (maybe 10 dark years) most of the blotter that was around was about 50-60ugs, it was fairly disappointing generally. About this time last year everything changed and the market started to flood with high quality acid. The word on the grapevine is that a new synthesis route has been discovered and some precursors that were closely monitored are no longer required.

So now if you're getting 100's and they work, well that's what's supposed to happen. Big grin
 
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#4 Posted : 4/16/2017 2:42:27 PM

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Ever since DMT and Ayahuasca I find other psychedelics have taken on it's personality and increased in strength.

Shrooms especially (maybe due to also being tryptamines). Before they were goofy-like and nothing near as deep as Ayahuasca but now it's honestly hard to define a big difference. There is one but, not like before.

One time I broke through off of 2 grams of average cubensis. No, I'm not lying. They may have been exceptionally strong but even other doses since then take me much further than before though, not that extreme.
 
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#5 Posted : 4/16/2017 4:37:29 PM
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I have always been incredibly sensitive to psychedelics. They always seem to affect me more than anyone else which I have known. I don't think anybody I know is as sensitive to DMT as I am.

I don't think one psychedelic experence alters the experience of another, I think it was myself that was altered, thus my perception of psychedelics which I was familiar with and had previously encountered would seem different after I had been changed through my experience with other psychedelic compounds.

...despite being incredibly sensitive to psychedelics, I have noticed that I tend to dose higher than most...I mean honestly, a fraction of what I take would be mind-blowing, yet I always tend to push into the deep water. It's not easy to explain.

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#6 Posted : 4/16/2017 10:25:41 PM

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I think we're in the same boat then. Even with cannabis, I always got a profound "glimpse" into knowledge or perspective that kind of escapes me in my day to day sober mind even though my sober mind is always seeing things as some sort of miracle, like I shouldn't be here but I am. Whereas most people would smoke a blunt and, whatever, I'd just take a few hits and then want to be by myself to look around and ponder things.

Same with psyches, except most people I know don't like them and talk at you in some side mouth insulting manner if you bring it up like I'm the insane one while they're going to the liquor store daily and putting pizzas in the oven only to pass out and borderline catch the house on fire. Also I tend to dose higher, like you say, in order to fully submit and have "it" take over. In all honesty I believe that's the only freedom I know. That's where I "belong".

I've yet to try aya, but I agree with what was said in how some of these things unlock a section of your mind that you can see later even though the chemical has long since left your immediate blood stream. Especially the plants, the plants stick with me in a night and day difference moreso than the rc's etc. I read this once comparison, but I can't think where in order to give credit but it was something to the effect of mushrooms are like being hugged by your mother, and acid is like being hugged by a robot. There's is a difference.

The plants have a very real spirit that the synthetics lack, in my experience. I think I read it here, a quote, mdma is infatuation, mescaline is love. I completely get that.

Back on topic though, I think they unlock you and that unlocked perception can be triggered especially when you enter into another unlocking mindframe. It comes back like a triggered memory, it's not as pronounced as when the actual memory was made, but it's forever there for the triggering.
 
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What could also be going on is that maybe you feel less anxious/paranoid about tripping because of your increased amount of experience, and this lack of paranoia allows you to dive even deeper into experiences.

For me at least, my first few trips were not as powerful because of how distracted I was. "Wow, it feels like my arm is melting off! Trees and dirt are so beautiful!" By now I moved past such fascinations in favor of deeper exploration of my mind, which generally feels more powerful.

I also tend to think that psychedelics make people more sensitive to external and internal stimuli (versus something like alcohol which is desensitizing), so maybe an increased level of sensitivity makes trips more powerful as well.
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#8 Posted : 4/20/2017 6:01:21 PM

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Yeah, with the alcohol I've found it can open you up. It has it's place, but it really is like dancing with the devil. It's a tunnel vision sort of thing, it's a "seasoning".

You put a pinch of salt on a steak. You don't put a pinch of steak on a pile of salt and eat it. The steak being you, and the salt being alcohol in this scenario.

These plants and fungi, they take me back to where I belong. They remind me of the place I came from. Pure treasure. 100% religious reasons, like looking through an old long forgotten photo album you found in an old attic somewhere.

Could it really be that this is actually happening, and I've found myself directly in the middle of it?

So profound, words just don't cut the mustard anymore at this point. Amazing to think, I would be included in this..
 
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#9 Posted : 4/21/2017 12:14:39 AM

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AwesomeUsername wrote:
I've heard reports of people being more sensitive to psychedelics after a single ayahuasca experience, but I myself had plenty more.

The thing is, I noticed another layer of psychodelia that covers my acid trips. Even though it still feels kinda like acid, the experience is distinctively different (I have visuals that are almost identical to those of DMT/ayahuasca and a different but similar headspace). I expected that to happen though, but I'm not really sure if I'm getting better gear or did I become super sensitive to psychedelics.


I dont know about ayahuasca cause i've never done it, but before vaping DMT acid was reaally good but with very basic visuals for me, after DMT and specially after I vaped DMT on the peak of 1 fujisan (220 ug) acid seemed to have permanently gained OEV and CEV with a depth of complexity approximating the visual fields of DMT, particularly those of the jester i saw, but it still retains some effects i only see with acid, like parts of the visual fields turning into particles and then forming into something else with CEV's.

These days I usually do 2 fujisan (440ug) for healing and self discovery the visuals are really intense and DMT influenced, its on a whole other level, for instance before i did DMT i tried 4 fujisan for my birthday, well suffice to say that was the first time i had visuals, prior to that acid was close to no visuals for me, a few neon colored patterns and that was it very basic in desing. what i can achieve now with just 220 is far much superior than those 4 fujisan, i was far too inexperienced with it to really take advantage of such doses.

nowdays i cant even fathom the thought of experiencing 4 tabs again, 2 have taken me sooo much deeper than those 4 ever did to a point where i've felt completely out of my body. wich is why i've picked up meditation and yoga to strengthen the body and the mind, last weekend it was far too difficult to keep my eyes closed, cause it waas reeeeally intense to witness the visuals, not scary or anything of the sort it was just too much information to handle in the come up hahaha.
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#10 Posted : 4/21/2017 3:40:11 AM

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I think its important to remember that with LSD tabs there is always a marketing element to it which typically exaggerates the mcg per blotter- for the majority of us who are relatively downstream it is a figure we have little way of verifying.

My own impression which may be a little dated is that the tabs purported to be 100mcg were usually closer to 50-60mcg. When 1p LSD blotters came out at an alleged 100mcg strength the effect of one would have to equate to close on 200mcg of the old measure- not half-tripping by any means. I once had a proper 250mcg dose of LSD and that was too heavy an experience (for me) to do unsupervised. Of course, some peoples heads are 'harder' than others.
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#11 Posted : 4/21/2017 4:10:32 AM

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corpus callosum wrote:
I think its important to remember that with LSD tabs there is always a marketing element to it which typically exaggerates the mcg per blotter- for the majority of us who are relatively downstream it is a figure we have little way of verifying.

My own impression which may be a little dated is that the tabs purported to be 100mcg were usually closer to 50-60mcg. When 1p LSD blotters came out at an alleged 100mcg strength the effect of one would have to equate to close on 200mcg of the old measure- not half-tripping by any means. I once had a proper 250mcg dose of LSD and that was too heavy an experience (for me) to do unsupervised. Of course, some peoples heads are 'harder' than others.



yeah thats true i got no definitive way to tell they're 220ug a pop but my friends who've used lsd for years say that right now the stuff i got is fire and as clean as they've had in years, so even if its less ug's per tab it's good stuff. i've tried the 100ug tabs and 2 tabs of nbmomes on separate occations and well and the difference is day and night really so at least the ones im dropping are really goooood. cant wait to get my hands on some liquid acid Big grin Big grin
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After 11 years of trippimg, I have no tolerance to any drugs. Cannabis is very psychedelic for me now and psychedelics, specifically Psilocybin are very powerful. I get 3d close eye visuals and mild 2d open eye visuals off of 1.5 grams of Cubes....
 
 
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