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maranello551
#1 Posted : 2/24/2017 8:17:32 AM
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Put rue and mimosa in coffee grinder and powder together.

Do alcohol pulls on combined powders.

Evaporate and scrape up.

Repowder extract.

Encapsulate.

Ideas?

 

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#2 Posted : 2/24/2017 7:34:18 PM

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Try it and report back? Why not extract the two separately so you have a better idea of the respective yields for each plant, plus more control over dosage should it come to it? Why not mix it with some of your lime before extracting, just to see if it works better that way?




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maranello551
#3 Posted : 2/24/2017 9:08:14 PM
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downwardsfromzero wrote:
Try it and report back? Why not extract the two separately so you have a better idea of the respective yields for each plant, plus more control over dosage should it come to it? Why not mix it with some of your lime before extracting, just to see if it works better that way?


Why would freebase dmt be better than a dmt salt for oral use?

Wut?
 
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#4 Posted : 2/24/2017 10:55:43 PM

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maranello551 wrote:

Why would freebase dmt be better than a dmt salt for oral use?

Wut?

What are you hoping to achieve with your method? Do you think that your extraction would be more successful with or without freebasing the alkaloids? Are you planning to use the tincture 'as is' or were you intending to perform some kind of work up first to remove tannins or other undesirable substances?




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#5 Posted : 2/24/2017 11:30:10 PM

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maranello551 wrote:
downwardsfromzero wrote:
Why not mix it with some of your lime before extracting, just to see if it works better that way?


Why would freebase dmt be better than a dmt salt for oral use?

That is not what downwardsfromzero wrote. The use of lime was suggested to improve the extraction result, not the oral consumption result.

maranello551, IMHO most of your threads are (still) quite useless. You fire many questions and assumptions from the hip, and expect others to fill everything in for you. Please learn to invest more time and effort in the research and presentation of your topics before claiming other people's time and effort.
 
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#6 Posted : 2/25/2017 7:26:05 AM
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#7 Posted : 2/25/2017 7:37:38 AM
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These "try it and report back" recommendations.....

I will do so if anymore hasn't, but I won't bother if someone already has and it doesn't work well. I don't own mimosa trees.

It would come as a surprise to me if nobody has tried this.

I'm just waiting on a report to confirm whether it's worth undertaking as much as other ROA or not.
 
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#8 Posted : 2/25/2017 6:24:01 PM

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To be fair, I have trouble getting the site search engine to produce useful results as well.

I would encourage you to think about what factors might make your proposed method more or less likely to be successful on the basis of existing literature and techniques.




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#9 Posted : 2/25/2017 10:32:23 PM

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To be fair, I have trouble getting the site search engine to produce useful results as well.


the search isnt that great..

OT I dont think alcohol pulls anything active from rue, rue in alc should become harmala red. So I dont think your "tek" will work..
14h 15m 39.7s, +19° 10 56

 
pitubo
#10 Posted : 2/25/2017 11:06:51 PM

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OT I dont think alcohol pulls anything active from rue, rue in alc should become harmala red. So I dont think your "tek" will work..

My personal observation has been that HCl salts of harmala alkaloids are moderately soluble in ethanol, probably more soluble even than the freebase harmalas.

It is not clear what harmala red actually is. I don't believe that alcohol alone causes a degradative reaction in harmalas in their natural salt form. Heat and base seems to do it with freebase harmalas, making a bright red pigment.
 
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#11 Posted : 2/26/2017 12:07:56 AM

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So there remains the question of the relative extraction efficacy of mimosa with or without base, given that harmala alkaloids would extract better in the salt form. Overall I'd say it's better to extract the two components separately, by the sounds of it.

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pitubo
#12 Posted : 2/26/2017 12:27:47 AM

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maranello551 wrote:
These "try it and report back" recommendations.....

I will do so if anymore hasn't, but I won't bother if someone already has and it doesn't work well. I don't own mimosa trees.

But why do you assume that others do?

maranello551 wrote:
It would come as a surprise to me if nobody has tried this.

They probably did, and the method likely failed to bring desired results. Try searching for "mimosa alcohol", "drytek", "cake method" and perhaps other search terms. You are not limited to the nexus search engine, any decent internet search engine will accept
Code:
site:dmt-nexus.me foo bar
as a syntax to search for "foo" and "bar" on the nexus only.

From what little effort I just put into it by searching for information and reading some threads, I conclude that unbasified ethanol is not very effective at extracting dmt from mimosa. But you should vertify that for yourself.

maranello551 wrote:
I'm just waiting on a report to confirm whether it's worth undertaking as much as other ROA or not.

Perhaps I'm just a little edgy, but you give me a distinct impression that you want to be spoonfed a lot. I've said this before to you already a few times but it looks like you don't care much for people's comments in these matters.

It's not like it's very hard to perform a little actual experiment, even with only a little mimosa material, given that you say that you are interested in this.
 
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#13 Posted : 2/26/2017 8:41:07 AM

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pitubo wrote:
Arcturus wrote:
OT I dont think alcohol pulls anything active from rue, rue in alc should become harmala red. So I dont think your "tek" will work..

My personal observation has been that HCl salts of harmala alkaloids are moderately soluble in ethanol, probably more soluble even than the freebase harmalas.

It is not clear what harmala red actually is. I don't believe that alcohol alone causes a degradative reaction in harmalas in their natural salt form. Heat and base seems to do it with freebase harmalas, making a bright red pigment.


Well fck me I have it here harmala red and it's not active..
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pitubo
#14 Posted : 2/26/2017 8:10:04 PM

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Arcturus wrote:
Well fck me I have it here harmala red and it's not active..

I have no intent on becoming intimate with you but I do wonder how you got the harmala red?
 
 
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