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Salt ratio for upscaled Cyb's max ion tek? Lime instead? Options
 
Spark
#1 Posted : 7/22/2016 10:38:49 PM
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Apologies for asking undoubtedly answered questions -much searching was done. Is the 70-80g salt : 1 liter water ratio able to be scaled up as is for 500g bark? (I know acid/base/water amounts are not in ratio to bark amount.) Is that sufficiently under the salt saturation point which is reported to be detrimental by Cyb?

Also I will be using lime as a base maintaining proper consistency and pH. Will report results.
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#2 Posted : 7/24/2016 1:36:41 PM

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Why not just scale up the water? Haven't got a big enough pot?

I have never had a problem using too much salt. I just dump it all in until it won't dissolve... obviously once it cools more salt will drop out. That way you can be sure you have full saturation and... salt is pretty cheap so what r u worrying about? Couldn't see anywhere in the tek that it says salt is "detrimental" as long as you dont add the salt before the acid cook
 
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#3 Posted : 7/24/2016 3:52:47 PM

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I wouldn't upscale it. It would be more difficult to properly mix the solution. All you need to do is buy another extraction vessel. You could easily walk into goodwill and find one for a couple dollars. I always do 2 at the same time.
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#4 Posted : 7/26/2016 9:42:38 AM
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I went ahead and added more water according to that ratio. The lime is whats worrying me now. PH is fine but hoping emulsions dont form when I start pulls. I know lime is for dryteks but I had a bunch and prefer safer materials. I believe it will work, even if having to wait for separation a bit longer.

n0thing wrote:
Why not just scale up the water? Haven't got a big enough pot?

I am talking about scaling up the saline solution as described in the tek (salt + water).

n0thing wrote:
I have never had a problem using too much salt. I just dump it all in until it won't dissolve... obviously once it cools more salt will drop out. That way you can be sure you have full saturation and... salt is pretty cheap so what r u worrying about? Couldn't see anywhere in the tek that it says salt is "detrimental" as long as you dont add the salt before the acid cook

Search for the long thread where cyb and chemistryptaman are exploring the salt idea, cyb states his trial with fully saturated saline wasnt as successful as a less saturated solution. I also intuitively thought to supersaturate the water but will stick to the script on this due to experience with yields suffering because of straying from what is known to work.

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I wouldn't upscale it. It would be more difficult to properly mix the solution. All you need to do is buy another extraction vessel. You could easily walk into goodwill and find one for a couple dollars. I always do 2 at the same time.
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I used a big pot with electric mixer and a gallon jug. Waiting on NPS order to do pulls.
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#5 Posted : 7/26/2016 10:18:53 AM

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Don't try and upscale...just follow the tek and run two side by side if you like.

Max Ion is for people who understand the process of extraction.
You don't upscale using ratios. Wink
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Spark
#6 Posted : 7/26/2016 10:35:55 AM
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I do understand the process of extraction. Ratios are not suitable for measuring things like an acidic or a basic ingredient but the saline is just salt water. To keep the salinity constant to your method but using higher volumes one would need to use the same ratio of water to salt. The total volume of saline would not be in ratio to anything else but the salt : water would need to stay constant, would it not?
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#7 Posted : 9/21/2016 4:47:45 AM

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Hey Spark,

Did you ever experiment with this scale extraction? And if so, what was determined?


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#8 Posted : 9/21/2016 8:47:24 AM

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Just a note about Salt, Salt water buffers pH meaning it stabilises pH at a certain level so if you put too much in the pH may not be high enough. Much more of an issue using sodium carbonate. Make sure you measure the pH after adding the salt and don't be tempted to overload it.
 
 
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