endlessness wrote: Anne... No offense but Im reading it more like a generic political manifesto than a constructive argument rooted in the current discussion.
no offense taken at that projection , ive stated im not against academia.
endlessness wrote: what should a sanctioned researcher do?
realize that they are noobs on human experiments in comparison to the larger community,
especially in the sense that its in REAL life administering PSIL , and not in a controlled lab.........
the controlled lab , by definition, shades results,
especially when considering it pry has little crossover beyond coincidence to field tripping
most of us dont trip in labs, so i have doubts it even translates to reality.
we trip in the real world, along with its perils.
endlessness wrote:Im not sure what else you are expecting them to do.
for starters, we could have told them 40 yrs ago to eat 3 g's
endlessness wrote:I completely disagree if I understand you correctly that people should quit academia.
another projection, who said that?
its a fact timothy did though, and he did it as one of them first, and for reasons.
even their OWN star guy, saw the need for clandestine research outside of the lab.
endlessness wrote: I think the underground working together with academia is a way more effective way of going about it and that's exactly what is being done.
if they just figured the dose, they aint working with us that close.
ive also suggested they work with us more, they need it.
endlessness wrote: even if thousands, is enough to have reliable data.
oops not part of the hopkins club?
id offer their limited data pales to ours.
endlessness wrote:Placebo
were past that,
when the person i just fed is kneeling and drooling in a color hurricaine,
and the abstainers are not...........
endlessness wrote:THH ,Harmine, pharmahuasca...
im talking specifically PSIL , its relatively common now .
dont see the comparison.
at no point did i say science is useless on many questions.
endlessness wrote:information gathered and opinion of trippers may be useless, even if it's done so for decades.
sorry .
i cant flip off what me and other pros have learned from wholesale field testing that easy.
but obviously 64 people on a couch in a lab does.
i cant play the community like that. its against my DNA.
endlessness wrote:Of course the underground can still apply scientific method without being part of academia,there are other things which underground researchers might not be able to test....
likewise, as they are more restricted than we will EVER be.
we dont have their limits.
if they were unlimited like us, imagine how much they would know by now.
endlessness wrote:we can all learn from them and they can learn from us
exactly MY point, cept i get this feeling its ,
not real learning till hopkins says so.
i dont buy it.
once again, not against research
to suggest otherwise , is a distortion.
i appreciate the limited work they have been able to do in this climate.
we should embrace them as allies indeed........
but i also offer, they need to seriously catch up.
and we deserve more than, "hopkins agrees so now its a fact"
i can appreciate hopkins,
the question is, to what degree do they appreciate the field reps?
id offer they get more respect than we do.
in spite of the fact we have air miles way beyond theirs times 100.
and considering the question
is PSIL testing,
we have the air miles
in combat not couches.
the only thing were couched in is real world trippng.
might be wise for them to listen good to us.
i love ya endless,
im not sure we disagree here, beyond perspective.
the ideal would be for everyone to share and research full tilt.
id also offer, that theres a vid somewhere here on nexus,
that talks about the value of clandestine research.........
and one really has to ask, why DID tim cross over?
and when he did, did he not give SOME degree of research cred ,
to the psil pirates as a default?
final word from me on this topic...........
im not so fast to discount the community on psil research.
i still contend were the experts, not them.in real world practical terms,
actual field experience, is tangible and valuable.
id wonder why it fails in this case.
i also wonder if the war left us with stockholme syndrome,
and ,some underlying need to to appease our oppressors,
with an academia seal of approval stamp.
( thats another thread another day)
all the love to those who differ on opinion on this.
but ill never discount the foot soldiers research of psilocybin.
"loph girl incarnate / lab rabbits included"
kids dont try anything annie does at home ,
for for scientific / educational review only.