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Psybin
#1 Posted : 3/11/2015 1:22:20 PM

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Alright, so the thread title might be a bit dramatic. But what can I say, that's the nature of the spice (not to mention I'm pretty enthused Big grin ). Anyway, I digress.

About a month ago, I tried dabbing DMT out of my oil rig for the first time. For a while I thought it might be my last time, due to the hyperslap I received. It was the first of its kind I've experienced, and it was a terrifying, if not still intriguing experience. I realized now that my error was not in RoA but rather in dosage: I accidentally dabbed somewhere between 50mg and 80mg, and let me tell you something - dabbing requires much more care and precision with dosage, because it is so efficient it's easy to overshoot like I did.

While I wouldn't recommend this to anyone without a milligram scale (I learned my lesson using single and double decimal place scales Embarrased ), it is certainly the most efficient method I've encountered by far and I would recommend it to anyone with adequate instruments for measurement. So far, I've been able to reliably break thru on one dab/hit with entity contact every time using this method, which seems to require 10mg to 12mg less than the GVG (perhaps because all the spice is being inhaled in one hit and more vapor can be inhaled per hit in a larger piece with water diffusion?).

I'd love to hear about your all's experiences with this method of liftoff. Big grin Also, to any mods, does one need to be a full member to change or update the wiki?
 

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#2 Posted : 3/11/2015 1:40:38 PM

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hello Psybin,

ive never dabbed anything but this was intriguing...

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So far, I've been able to reliably break thru on one dab/hit with entity contact every time using this method, which seems to require 10mg to 12mg less than the GVG (perhaps because all the spice is being inhaled in one hit and more vapor can be inhaled per hit in a larger piece with water diffusion?).


are you getting propa experiences from 10-15mg doses?
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#3 Posted : 3/11/2015 1:41:45 PM

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Here are some pics of the rig and titanium nail I've been using for my hyperspace travels of late
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#4 Posted : 3/11/2015 1:47:56 PM

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3rdI wrote:
hello Psybin,

ive never dabbed anything but this was intriguing...

Psybin wrote:
So far, I've been able to reliably break thru on one dab/hit with entity contact every time using this method, which seems to require 10mg to 12mg less than the GVG (perhaps because all the spice is being inhaled in one hit and more vapor can be inhaled per hit in a larger piece with water diffusion?).


are you getting propa experiences from 10-15mg doses?


Yes and no. For me personally, 20mg dabbed gives an equivalent breakthrough to ~30mg in the GVG with my best technique. I personally only receive threshold effects from 10-15mg dabbed, but my buddy who is more sensitive gets meaningful experiences at this dosage. I would estimate a dose of 20mg or so in a GVG comparable, though that should be taken with a grain of salt as with any estimation. Wink

EDIT: It is possible too that my technique with the GVG could be improved, but regardless I find dabbing easier and more elegant.
 
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#5 Posted : 3/11/2015 1:52:54 PM

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interesting, especially considering convection is normally more efficient than conduction.

i might have to get hold of one of a dabbing devices and give it a whirl.

cheers Psybin

edit- how is your GVG set up?
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#6 Posted : 3/11/2015 1:58:18 PM

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I certainly recommend looking into it, you can get a nice small one (smaller is better, counter-intuitively, as it is more efficient and better tasting) for around 50 USD most places.

As for my GVG setup... it's broken Sad (hence the estimation when comparing). I was considering replacing it with one of those fancy health stone pipes, but now I can just use my rig. Thumbs up

EDIT: Just realized that you meant set up not setup, haha. I don't have any pics of my old GVG, but I was using a ceramic filter instead of the chore boy's. I was very satisfied once I realized how efficient it could be, but alas, it's bitten the dust. From the ashes rises the phoenix, though Big grin
 
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#7 Posted : 3/11/2015 6:06:08 PM

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Dabbing is a great way to vaporize DMT, and I've partaken quite a bit using this method, but downside is that you need to deal with a hot nail/fragile rig while coming up. If you are trying to have a session, dealing with the butana torch is also a hassle.
It doesn't compare to vaporizing changa/enchanced leaf, but I'm likely it beats the other methods (I've never used a gvg) especially in efficiency.

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#8 Posted : 3/11/2015 6:09:02 PM

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Also it smells up the nail/rig quite a bit (you can taste it with regular dabs quite strongly if you don't clean it aftwards) so keep that in mind if using a friend's piece.
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#9 Posted : 3/11/2015 10:57:16 PM

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Dead man wrote:
Dabbing is a great way to vaporize DMT, and I've partaken quite a bit using this method, but downside is that you need to deal with a hot nail/fragile rig while coming up. If you are trying to have a session, dealing with the butana torch is also a hassle.
It doesn't compare to vaporizing changa/enchanced leaf, but I'm likely it beats the other methods (I've never used a gvg) especially in efficiency.

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Excellent point about dealing with a hot nail coming up- my approach so far is to have my space cleaned up and a place to but the rig beforehand. Sounds simple but I've had no issues thus far. Also, I haven't tried changa, but one of the aspects that makes dabbing it so efficient is that you get all the vapor in one hit. Glad to hear your opinion/experience on the matter, regardless. I firmly believe time will show dabbing spice to be supreme.Very happy
 
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#10 Posted : 3/11/2015 11:13:43 PM

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You should be able to get all of the vapor in one hit from a GVG. Same with a bong/bubbler full of changa.

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The “crack” method heats the product by convection – a stream of hot air passes through and around the product. Convection methods include the “machine”, the GVG, and bongs.

The “meth” method heats the product by conduction – a hot surface conducts heat directly to the product. Conduction methods include light bulbs, test tubes, aluminum foil.

Any method that heats by conduction is likely to burn/carmelize/pyrolize the DMT before appreciable amounts of vapor are formed. The resultant vapor will be less potent and very harsh.

DMT is best heated by convection. When DMT is heated by convection it vaporizes very quickly –before it has a chance to burn.


Nails heat by conduction. That said, as they are pre-heated to a very high temp, it may make the traditional issue with conduction methods (outlined above) irrelevant. Never having tried it, I can't say. I can, however, say that many people who have sworn by conduction methods over convection have reversed their positions once they have experienced proper convection heating.

Thanks for sharing, Psybin. It is certainly interesting Smile
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#11 Posted : 3/12/2015 4:51:32 AM

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SnozzleBerry wrote:
You should be able to get all of the vapor in one hit from a GVG. Same with a bong/bubbler full of changa.

gibran2 wrote:
The “crack” method heats the product by convection – a stream of hot air passes through and around the product. Convection methods include the “machine”, the GVG, and bongs.

The “meth” method heats the product by conduction – a hot surface conducts heat directly to the product. Conduction methods include light bulbs, test tubes, aluminum foil.

Any method that heats by conduction is likely to burn/carmelize/pyrolize the DMT before appreciable amounts of vapor are formed. The resultant vapor will be less potent and very harsh.

DMT is best heated by convection. When DMT is heated by convection it vaporizes very quickly –before it has a chance to burn.


Nails heat by conduction. That said, as they are pre-heated to a very high temp, it may make the traditional issue with conduction methods (outlined above) irrelevant. Never having tried it, I can't say. I can, however, say that many people who have sworn by conduction methods over convection have reversed their positions once they have experienced proper convection heating.

Thanks for sharing, Psybin. It is certainly interesting Smile


Supposedly the dab is actually vaporized via convection on the pocket of hot air above the nail, when heated properly. I've personally seen this before, though I can also say it is a very efficient method regardless of temperature precision. Perhaps when more people explore dabbing spice, we will discover a trend one way or the other as to its true efficiency with respect to the GVG. Very happy

EDIT: Just saw the first sentence of your post. Perhaps, then, I need to improve my technique with the GVG. It usually takes me two hits to get everything, which is odd considering how little spice it is. But then again, it is a small pipe... Like I said, I must improve my technique lol
 
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#12 Posted : 3/12/2015 2:14:11 PM

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Psybin wrote:
Supposedly the dab is actually vaporized via convection on the pocket of hot air above the nail, when heated properly.

That is fascinating. Guess we'll have to get some more reports in Smile
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#13 Posted : 3/13/2015 10:36:45 AM

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Psybin are you heating your nail manually using torch lighter or some gear like d-nail/dabinator?
 
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#14 Posted : 3/13/2015 3:53:56 PM

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BlazingSatva wrote:
Psybin are you heating your nail manually using torch lighter or some gear like d-nail/dabinator?


I'm heating it manually with a propane torch, ensuring the titanium is red hot when the spice is dabbed (some folks say that red hot is too hot, but red hot allows for the pocket of convection above the nail when the dab hits the superheated air).
 
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#15 Posted : 8/14/2015 10:36:48 AM

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Hey Psybin,
I have tried the machine, vaporizer and what not, haven't yet been able to break through, I find the vapor way too harsh.
I have intense visuals but haven't been able to break through with freebase crystals because I can't somehow take a second toke.
I don't smoke anything else, so smoking makes it a little difficult for me.
Now, i'm going to try with the dab rig.
My confusion is about how hot the nail would get and if it would pulverise the crystals. Should I use a Ti or ceramic nail?
I also can get a laser thermometer, so I just want to make sure at what temp I should put in the crystals on to the nail so that it's not too hot to burn the crystals or too subtle so as not to vaporize it further complicating things.
Anybody who can suggest with regards to what nail to use, what temp to apply the crystals on the nail would be very very good. I intend to use a cap or so over the nail.
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A buddy of mine has told me that he's blasted off a large group of people using an electronic dab nail. I should be able to try it soon but I don't usually like to blast off in strange places so it might be a minute before I can personally attest to this method.
 
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#17 Posted : 8/14/2015 7:12:43 PM
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Haven't really "dabbed" it per say, but I have vaped/smoked a decent low dose (10mgs or so) placed on top of the glass encasing the heating element on my herbal vaporizer, it melted and produced vapor instantly which I picked up with a funnel. Tasted funky though so I think some burned, but it was smooth and effects were good for the dose in my opinion. Smile
 
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#18 Posted : 8/20/2015 4:24:07 PM

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I would highly recommend an electronic nail. It is perfect for dialing in the correct temperature and not wasting product by burning or not heating enough.

My friends use laser thermometers to check the temp of the nail after they torch it but that is a bit of a hassle. I heat mine up slighly lower than I would for a thc concentrate. Its not to hard to figure out what you want It to feel like when you hold your hand over the nail. As far as numbers go, ive heard around 300F but I think I go a bit hotter and havent seemed to loose any product. Regardless, by far one of the most effective ways to vaporize it In my opinion.

I use titanium but would be interested to know if others work better or worse. Im assuming theres not muvh difference like with wax. The one thing about my titanium nail is that I have to re-season it about 3-4 times after I use it for spice to get the taste out. Not a very big deal but something to keep in mind.
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#19 Posted : 8/21/2015 3:36:34 PM

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Hey Leithen,
So what would be the ideal temp? 300 degree F?
Also since you're saying e-nail would you put the crystals on the nail first and then switch on the nail and increase the temp to the required temp or same like in the regular nail heat it with a torch and when then temp is reached then put the crystals?
The doubt in my mind is, think about an empty pan and heat it, when we pour water into it there is that bursting sound right? Similarly here when we put the crystals onto the nail when its at 300 degree +, won't there be a tendency to burn it?
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#20 Posted : 8/24/2015 12:30:28 PM

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Psybin wrote:
Alright, so the thread title might be a bit dramatic. But what can I say, that's the nature of the spice (not to mention I'm pretty enthused Big grin ). Anyway, I digress.

About a month ago, I tried dabbing DMT out of my oil rig for the first time. For a while I thought it might be my last time, due to the hyperslap I received. It was the first of its kind I've experienced, and it was a terrifying, if not still intriguing experience. I realized now that my error was not in RoA but rather in dosage: I accidentally dabbed somewhere between 50mg and 80mg, and let me tell you something - dabbing requires much more care and precision with dosage, because it is so efficient it's easy to overshoot like I did.

While I wouldn't recommend this to anyone without a milligram scale (I learned my lesson using single and double decimal place scales Embarrased ), it is certainly the most efficient method I've encountered by far and I would recommend it to anyone with adequate instruments for measurement. So far, I've been able to reliably break thru on one dab/hit with entity contact every time using this method, which seems to require 10mg to 12mg less than the GVG (perhaps because all the spice is being inhaled in one hit and more vapor can be inhaled per hit in a larger piece with water diffusion?).

I'd love to hear about your all's experiences with this method of liftoff. Big grin Also, to any mods, does one need to be a full member to change or update the wiki?


Hey man, what was the temp when you loaded the nail with the dmt ? did you apply anything on the nail before loading ? did it vap instantly ? i have a carb cap and a ceramic nail, should i see the crystals melt and then put the carb cap and pull ?
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