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#1 Posted : 6/28/2009 7:22:32 PM

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MEK is much more polar than d-limonene. DMT N-Oxide is extremely soluble in it.
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#2 Posted : 6/29/2009 5:36:51 AM

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It's a good idea to dry it. But I don't think MEK absorbs moisture from the air though. I believe once dry it stays dry. Acetone, like alcohol, will absorb moisture form the air, so you usually need to re-dry it.
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#3 Posted : 6/29/2009 6:40:04 PM

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#4 Posted : 7/4/2009 6:41:46 PM

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Thanks for posting that info!

7mg/100ml = 0.007 g/100 ml. Anything less than 1g/100 ml is normally considered insoluble. So DMT N-Oxide would be considered insoluble in YOUR naphtha. The problem with naphtha is that different naphthas have different solubility ratings because they are not all composed of the same mix of solvents. Naphtha is not actually one single solvent. It’s a mix of solvents, and there isn’t any one exact mix that’s considered naphtha. That’s why you hardly ever see solubility info for naphtha.

Because naphtha is a mix of solvents the specific gravity range for it is 0.75-0.85. So lets use 0.8 for this calculation. Water is 1 and 100 ml of water weighs 100 grams. So to get the weight of 100 ml of naphtha we multiply 100 ml of naphtha by 0.8 and we get 80 g. So the solubility of DMT N-Oxide is 0.007 g/80 g naphtha. That comes to 0.00875 %.

Ok, so to sum that up here’s the solubility of DMT N-Oxide in naphtha represented in the 4 main standard forms:

0.007 g/100 ml
0.007 g/80 g
0.00875 g/100 g
0.00875% by weight
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#5 Posted : 7/4/2009 7:14:12 PM

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7mg/100ml = 0.007 g/100 ml. Anything less than 1g/100 ml is normally considered insoluble. So DMT N-Oxide would be considered insoluble in YOUR naphtha. The problem with naphtha is that different naphthas have different solubility ratings because they are not all composed of the same mix of solvents. Naphtha is not actually one single solvent. It’s a mix of solvents, and there isn’t any one exact mix that’s considered naphtha. That’s why you hardly ever see solubility info for naphtha.

So should I get my candy therm and distallation app out of the shed or can some one answer the question below?

My next thought what is the source of this oxide do you think it is already present in MHRB or is it dmt oxidized be the A/B acid boil or creatated in the basifaction step? or a combo of all this should be easy to determin with a couple simple experements. What do you think Ron, anybody? I can figure it out my self but if anyone already has please share. I gots lots of experenents going and many remain incomplete life is short.



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#6 Posted : 7/5/2009 7:26:57 AM

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Boiling the plant material with some vitamin C would prevent the oxidation from happening.

Very old plant material tends to have much more N-Oxides. Leaves also tend to have more than bark because they are less protected from oxidation. Powdered material would also be more likely to have more N-Oxides.

Heat and air movement are factors that greatly increase N-Oxide formation. When drying the freebase at the end of extraction, if heat and a fan are used, this can greatly increase N-Oxide formation.

There are actually techs out there that specifically use heat and a fan to create DMT N-Oxide because some people find it more pleasant than DMT. SWIM prefers DMT N-Oxide over DMT, but doesn’t like sticky texture of it. I think no one likes the sticky texture of it. It makes it almost impossible to measure doses. It sticks to everything. If it wasn’t for that, I think DMT N-Oxide would be very popular. It’s more friendly than DMT, and just as visual, but a total pain in the ass to scoop up and measure doses of it for smoking.
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#7 Posted : 7/14/2009 12:58:54 PM

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swim made some n-oxide from some spice pulled with jorkests tek - so its a n-oxide/jungle combo and it smells lovely - swim will sample it soon.
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#8 Posted : 7/14/2009 2:44:35 PM

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Thank you a lot for the information 69ron. I greatly appreciate that.

SWIM was able to accurately and precisely determine that his Naphtha is 74g/100mL.

Having said that,
0.007 g/74 g
0.00946 g/100 g
0.00946% by weight

So, considering all of the uncertainties that SWIM is working with... SWIM would estimate 0.010g/100g as a good rough estimate...


So wait! This has implications on the "Yellow Spice" threads.

If this is true then some of this yellow that people are pulling may, in fact, be DMT N-Oxide, which would account for its different effects! Someone tell me if I'm reading this wrong, but for every ~100mL people may be dissolving ~74mgs of DMT N-oxide, give or take depending on their mix of solvents in the naphtha.

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#9 Posted : 7/14/2009 3:15:00 PM

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The n-oxide was sampled - somehow - perhaps the jungle ? it was solid and almost plasticky - it smelled nice before smoking it - but the taste and smell of the smoke was horrible - this is the first time swims spice tasted and smelled like plastic. the warm head effect - like behind the ears - kinda like wearing a warm cap was noticed - the dosage was very small but because of the taste swim is hesitant to try it again - the effects were just on the edge of noticable at the same dose as the spice used to make it at is rather noticable at.
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IT IS ONLY TO THE EXTENT THAT WE ARE WILLING TO EXPOSE OURSELVES OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO ANNIHILATION THAT WE DISCOVER THAT PART OF OURSELVES THAT IS INDESTRUCTIBLE.


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