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#1 Posted : 4/21/2009 10:39:26 AM

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I wondered if those would work !




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#2 Posted : 4/21/2009 5:08:43 PM

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Ill have to try this next time I go out for india food. I'd much rather just eat the tumeric than take a capsule. Thats like wasting it!
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#3 Posted : 4/21/2009 10:17:03 PM
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Interesting, but those accounts sound grossly exaggerated. Based on subjective experiments, reports around the nexus, and elsewhere on the net (http://deoxy.org/gz_betac.htm), a potentiation of 2-3x in intensity and length is all that has been reliably, and repeatedly produced with maoi combinations. Perhaps curcumin is the secret super maoi though? I remain doubtful but look forward to watching this thread none the less! Smile

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#4 Posted : 4/21/2009 10:36:31 PM

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It does sound awesome, but are there other references of turmeric having such an effect when coupled to smoked dmt?

Dagger's quotations do not give any amount of the material used. Especially the first one; i.e. how much turmeric was used for the extraction, how the alcohol extraction was performed, how much was smoked etc.

One does not say, "yeah, take turmeric, make an ethanol extraction and smoke it with dmt" as if it is common knowledge. I see such claims quite often in other forums and I always consider them pretty unreliable. Very much in contrast to what one sees in the nexus. How many people have been making very promising claims about phalaris grasses? Thousands around the web. How many people have actually reported a worth-mentioning success with phalaris grasses? Not very many if any at all...

But the combo sounds worth trying. Aren't people anyway try all sorts of weird combos?Very happy

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#5 Posted : 4/22/2009 8:53:24 AM

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From page above wrote:
Side Effects and Warnings:

Turmeric may cause an upset stomach, especially in high doses or if given over a long period of time. Heartburn has been reported in patients being treated for stomach ulcers. Since turmeric is sometimes used for the treatment of heartburn or ulcers, caution may be necessary in some patients. Nausea and diarrhea have also been reported.


Well sounds it`s gonna fuck your guts as ayahuasca does! Need to dig elsewhere Rolling eyes
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#6 Posted : 4/23/2009 10:17:59 PM
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Dagger wrote:
Actually, an ayahuasca trip can last for 12+ hours, if the maoi is strong enough.

Ya, I'm aware of that. Both the quotes you originally listed spoke of potentiating smoked spice, that's what I was referencing.

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This seems like an easy thing to try, so why not?

Agreed, I guess as a simplest test you could reach into the cupboard and smoke a gram of Turmeric just to see if any classic harmala effects materialized? Turmeric has a 3.14% (pi!) content of Curcumin ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17044766 ), which would make ~30mg. Smoking a gram of Turmeric could be rough though, a bubbler could help... As far as extracting Curcumin from Turmeric, could be fun to experiment for the heck of it...

Kemist-- those side effects would be from oral consumption. We're talking about smoking.

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Kemist-- those side effects would be from oral consumption. We're talking about smoking.

Aha.:idea: I missed that bit. Anyway One wouldn`t smoke gram of that shit because doesn`t won his lungs in lottery. Extraction is a must!
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#8 Posted : 5/8/2009 3:25:01 AM

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I take turmeric pills every day. usually 2 to 4 a day. If its true it would explain why I can get off brewing aya with only 10-12 grams cappi...
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#9 Posted : 5/8/2009 4:26:52 AM
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Turmeric has never messed with my insides. Indians eat a ton of it and those wrestlers roll about in it all day so probably swallow even more, and they don't have diarrhoea otherwise they'd be too skinny to wrestle! Maybe it just doesn't agree with SOME people.
It's meant to be really good for you too.
One of my favourite dishes is one I made up myself, well after inspiration from a Vietnamese restaurant. I pour in what must be at least 3-5g of turmeric, honestly it's ridiculous the amount I put in (along with onion, pork, greenbeans, chilli, garlic, soysauce), and I've always been fine.
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Dagger wrote:
I wonder, could the turmeric have potentiated the cacao?


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#11 Posted : 6/1/2009 11:35:01 AM

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Dagger wrote:
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Dagger wrote:
I wonder, could the turmeric have potentiated the cacao?


Are you thinking about a three stage rocket? Pleased


Lol.Very happy

I have thought about it in passing, but what I was thinking about is that if it potentiated cacao, it could possibly also potentiate dmt. I know that caapi can potentiate cacao, so if it is the same mechanism...


So how it went, matey?
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#12 Posted : 6/1/2009 11:55:50 AM

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YEAH rise the dose, lol Smile


... anyway parrot brough some of da yohimbe pills, chehe, any you dagg probably know what combo Wut? will ILPT try Wink
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#13 Posted : 6/1/2009 12:03:12 PM

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Gee this is a very interesting thread i am fasinated to see the results.
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Yeah, we should put up a list of all possible sources of maois and try them all out systematically with dmt. Then we could put up detailed results on the dmt-nexus wiki.


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#15 Posted : 6/2/2009 12:26:34 PM

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I'm definitely considering picking up some tumeric after work today and trying it. Hope for the best. Razz I'll post here as soon as I know anything.
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he was kicked from the ayahuasca forum for trolling...
this is not the first time that entire posts have been dedicated to debunking his BS...
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#17 Posted : 6/16/2009 1:42:25 AM

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Okay, for giggles, I tried it.

Now, I didn't take nearly enough to be a "real" MAOI dose which would be well into the thousands. I took two extract pills, each with 500mg. Now, I did not expect much, as more reading and searching around made it obvious that this is certainly not the next Rue or Caapi. But everyone knew that right?

Anyhow, the spice came up like normal, blasted me to oblivion for few minutes, and then I came down. The only thing I can say about it that was at all different was the come down. Instead of lasting about 10 minutes (altered mind state with an extreme ability to zone into deep thought about anything), it lasted roughly 30 minutes. In addition to normal come down effects, I felt as if I was in full control of my mind state. If I thought "I am happy," I would grin like an idiot and chuckle. If for any reason I would bring up thoughts of fear or sadness, mainly wondering if I was going to ever be 'normal' again, I would suddenly feel very upset and want to wake up my wife for help.

If there was any real effect, it wasn't "getting off" for 3 hours. And something tells me that no one is eating a gram or more of Turmeric in their mum's cooking. Pleased From what I've read, would I be mistaken by thinking that St. John's Wort would be a much better "Walmart" MAOI?

In any case, you'd have to take a crap ton of either of these to get the desired effect.

EDIT: And yes, it is entirely possible that I was in just the right state-of-mind to happen to have a 30 minute come down. Though 30 minutes is on the outer limits of a smoked dose.
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#18 Posted : 6/16/2009 12:23:50 PM

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Hmmm, no bioperine in my supplement. Unless they like to hide that info somewhere other than the label. Pleased I'll take that into consideration in future experiments.

Oh, it should probably be mentioned that the smoking method was tinfoil, with a pipe stem as the intake. Ghetto fabulous, I know, and I'm working out a better method soon. However, my point is, anyone that has smoked using tinfoil knows it can be an art to get a breakthrough dose. This was the easiest breakthrough ever using tinfoil. So either I'm getting good at it, or there was some outer effect. Pleased I want to think I'm just that good.
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#19 Posted : 6/17/2009 1:11:49 AM

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That's what I was thinking. Luckily I'm so incredibly skeptical about this that we shouldn't have to worry about any placebo effects.. Razz
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I was looking through wikipedia and saw curcumin as an MAO-A inhibitor.. I searched "tumeric as an MAOI" on google and got this topic. I'm proud of the nexus.. A community of thinkers..

With that said, I'd wonder what doses would be right for potentiation.. I mean, if it's found scientifically to be an MAO-A inhibitor, there should be some level of it that activates DMT.. It wouldn't be an MAO-A inhibitor if it wasn't, I'd assume. I'd like to try some of this with smoked doses.. I might try a passionflower tumeric combo, see if I can get the combination of weaker MAOI's to give a better experience on-the-cheap.. They're pretty readily available.. it'd be cool if tumeric would work.
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