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Help to Id these...panaeolus subbalteatus? Options
 
jamie
#1 Posted : 10/26/2014 4:19:04 AM

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I found these, on a grassy hill in the PNW..interestingly right after sitting through a talk on psilocybin mushrooms by Paul Kroeger..grabbed them up quickly once I confirmed they were bruising and ran back in time for Dennis Mckenna's talk...funny how when I look for interesting things I don't find them..and when I stop looking they seemingly just appear.


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#2 Posted : 10/26/2014 2:58:18 PM

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These look much different from the Pan subs I've encountered. I don't think I've ever seen any turn their caps up that much although they appear to have a hygrophanous cap (the color rings caused by variations in moisture).

The gills don't look right, Pan subs should have nearly black gills when they're aging due to the jet black spores they release. It would definitely help if you could get the spore color. Rusty brown is bad.

They do seem to be bruising some green/blue... what are the three rules Stamets says for identifying? Black spores, blue bruising, seperable gelatinous pellicle, I think.

My intuition says no, the ones I've found have always looked more like this.
 
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#3 Posted : 10/26/2014 3:37:49 PM

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yeah I have found pans lots of times in lawns at work(im a landscaper so its good for that) but these look weird... some people have told me they might be psilocybe cyanescens..though I have never seen cyans so washed out from the rain..and these were found in longer grass not woodchips so I dont know. I have not even seen psilo cyans for years however personally so I dont trust my judgement. I know cubensis well, thats it.

They seem to have opened up too much to print. I picked them in between talks at a conference and I will be back there today with my camera during a short lunch break to pick some more and get some better photos..hopefully a younger specimen to properly print.

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#4 Posted : 10/27/2014 4:48:25 AM

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So, I think these are actually Psilocybe ovoideocystidiatal...nearly certain. I did not even think ovoids were found here but apparently they are..

http://www.mushroomjohn....beovoideocystidiata1.htm

Oh I also found more early this morning in the same location and will upload new pics in the next day..
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#5 Posted : 10/27/2014 11:39:06 AM

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They do look like ovoids, it's just that deep chocolatey brown gill colour that I'm not sure about, but I think it's probably the low kelvin of the light making it look that way.
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#6 Posted : 10/27/2014 6:29:43 PM
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Dear Jamie,
I am not so sure. It could also be Psilocybe caerulea (= stropharia caerulea), which grows
an hay/gras. The yellow to green/colour is very typical for this beautiful species.
It is uncertain, whether it is active.
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Follow the link to compare some pictures:
http://mushroomobserver....tern=stropharia+caerulea

 
 
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