Hi all.

Well last night was interesting to say the least.

t-00:00 - 230mg - harmine extract (capsuled)
t-01:00 - 50mg DMT freebase (capsuled) take with lots of orange juice.
t-01:15 - small piece of toast with butter
t-01:25 - lift off

This came on very strong at first, there was a kind of buzzing in my head and my CEV where so fast it was difficult to remember most of the images however I do recall seeing a smooth silver sheet like metal but not metal, this was smoother than anything I have ever seen, incredible multicolored geometric shapes sliding through it, around it, becoming one with it, the smooth silver sheet would flip and bend into impossible shapes, the only down side was the sickness which made me feel awful and I found it difficult to immerse myself in the experience and kept opening my eyes, OEV's were now drumming up and room appears to be sliding past me (very strange sensation) the audio effects were like a flanger pedal was in my ear distorting all sounds, I also kept hearing a whooshing sound and a vibration going through my whole body, after around 20-30 mins of this the sickness became intense, I dry heaved into the toilet 5-6 times but nothing would come up, I was sweating like mad and then decided to throw myself on the floor at the mercy of the experience, I then started to see huge amounts of what looked like matrix code but in black and white, it would bend and wrap around me, this was very pleasant and comforting.

Within about 5-minutes I felt a lot better and the sickness disappeared, I lay down and relaxed but the experience swiftly calmed down and almost vanished and I feel asleep within 10 minutes.

Now my question here is, I was under the impression that the sickness would be minimal using a pharmahuasca method, is there anything else I can do to minimize this? I have ginger root capsules but was not sure if they would have any interaction with the MAOI.

The visuals were very digital and did not appear that any visions of nature would occur, although the experience was very short and I could not immerse myself I got the general feeling of digital visuals.

I am also out of harmine extract but I do have some peganum harmala extract which should do the trick, does anyone have any experience on this? I believe 3g should be enough and would the extra ingredients possibly have more nausea associated?

Anyway I very happy about having success and I think i may drop down to 40mg DMT next time and if any of you could offer any other advise for the sickness or anything else it would greatly appreciated.

Love and peace to you all.

Odo

odo, the purge is part of ayshuasca and it contributes a lot to the experience. if it is a big deal for you, take part in a ceremony with people you consider trustable. they can help you a lot when you experience something difficult, either physicslly or mentally.

good luck!

Hi,

When I originally tried a peganum harmala extract, I made it too strong and had a rather unpleasant experience. While I didn't heave, I definitely felt like if things got any more unpleasant I would.
I since then have learned my lesson and had success with far far less rue extract. It may be that I'm more sensitive to these particular compounds than some people.

Now, to answer your question specifically, we see 3g listed many places on the site as a target / usual quantity to use.

For me, I lowered the dose all the way to 1.5g. I've seen references that this is considered pretty much a minimum dose to get any MAOI/RIMA effect at all--perhaps not expected to be effective for our purposes. Well, it sure worked for me. As in "Wow, that made DMT-phospate very, very available orally." The best thing about it was that I got the effect I desired, with no nausea nor pain whatsoever.

For you, maybe something in between my 1.5 and the suggested 3g?

What I did, and for me had easily the most intense and rewarding oral DMT experience so far (granted, out of only three). Each time I've reduced the harmala extract and increased the DMT since on the previous two tries I just wasn't getting the level of DMT experience intended. Your target and expectations may differ! So perhaps "use less than you think you need, and work up" is really solid advice.

Harmala:
1. 1.5g rue seeds in 300ml filtered water, added juice of 1 lemon.
2. Soaked the seeds for 1 hour.
3. Simmered the mixture for 3 hours, adding filtered water whenever the level dropped to ~100ml. Added back in water to have 300 ml until the 3rd hour, let simmer down to ~100 ml.
4. Strained the solids out with a coffee filter. Put the solids back in the pot with another 300ml and repeat step 3.
5. Filtered & added the 1st and 2nd extracts together, simmer down to ~80ml.

DMT:
1. 50mg DMT freebase and 50 mg DMT-N-oxide/DMT freebase (presumably, it was "reclaimed" from crystal formation in the GVG using IPA + evaporation. I of course don't know how much might have been oxide so perhaps I shouldn't suggest that it was...) Now the total qty there is 100mg, which is a high dose--but with such a small amount of harmala...
2. Dissolve the DMT in Coca-Cola to make DMT-phosphate. Used just enough liquid to do the job, don't know the ml amount. Kept adding the Coke & stirred till it dissolved.

Administration:
0:00 drank all 80 ml harmala. Tasted bad.
0:30 drank the DMT-phosphate. (Again, suggestions here are most often "consume together" or "wait 10m". 30m is possibly "too long" to wait...but it worked for me)
0:45-1:00 things ramped up. (possibly sooner, I honestly don't remember exactly--when it started, it came on faster and faster, then "boom"
~1:00 ...I think it was around this time I was entirely in hyperspace, I honestly can't tell you any time reference till about 2:00. The first point I rember even being able to look at the clock and remember doing it to see "how long was I 'gone'?" was at 2:30.
Comedown was very gradual till 3:00 and by 4:00 I felt close to baseline.

Maybe for you 3g extract with 50mg spice is a more responsible suggestion. This was the most intense (and psychically rewarding) trip I have ever had, but I can see where if you weren't ready or expecting it that it might be far too much. The peak was essentially a 30 minute (at least) version of a 3 minute vaporize hyperspce journey.

Thank you for the suggestions.

I understand the purge is part of the process I am only trying to minimize as much as possible.

I think tonight may be another attempt as I do not have work tomorrow thankfully, I will give the following a go and report back the results.

250mg - harmala extract
got my dosages wrong with this peganum harmala extract, it's 1gram x10 extract so I believe around 200-250mg should be enough) I also have huge amount of syrian rue seeds there is there are any issues with this extract.

40mg - DMT freebase

One thing I will say is that thank god my previous large dose DMT attempts were mostly failures

I will keep another dose set aside on the off chance of any failures and again report back how it goes.


Thanks again

Peace and love

Odo

The only thing I'd suggest is convert the freebase to a salt, either like I did with the Coca-Cola or with a bit of vinegar. (phosphate or acetate, respectively) I feel like it's harder to get the amount of vinegar right, but that's probably laziness on my part re: the chemistry math.

The phosphate was painless and very easy to do, and these salts of the DMT are absorbed more easily.

Good travels, and peace.