So last night I vaped 25mg of pure white spice out of my machine only this time I used my newly bought arc torch lighter.

I loaded the machine took the blast and realized I had smoked the whole dose in one hit. Afterwards I would confirm this by trying to pull more hits and it was I fact empty.

I'm thinking I may Need a.greater dose as this got to me the same place as last time. No breakthrough just a feeling of my awareness coming apart and a very rapid maniacal entity present when I can back I could feel and hear everything whispering to me in a very odd language.

I've read numerous times that 25mg vaped right is enough. I feel as if I couldn't have vaped it more perfectly and I still don't feel I got very far. I doubt a burned it as the taste was fine and I held it in with no irritation. There's literally nothing left in the mesh afterwards.

Is there a sure sign if you burn it or is it one if those things you'll just no. If not I'm thinking my next flight I'll have to go with 35mg.

I knew when I used to burn the spice cause the trip was either very dark and or very unpleasant.

now I can vape correctly is mostly very bright colours.

maybe go up by 5mg each time. It does appear that people react differently to the same dose. maybe some people just need more to get further.

Its.odd.because my.first.two times I used 50mg and had no idea what I was doing but I got to the chrysanthemum but didn't break through. Now when using lower doses I always feel the presence if this entity but I never break through to anything. I feel as if I vaped the whole dose I should of got there. The smell and taste was fine. But I literally had nothing left In the pipe when I checked. Seems as if the torch lighter might be burning most of it up. I'd think the whole 25 in one hit should get me there if it does other people.

Its crazy because when I used a normal lighter I could easily take multiple hits. Maybe I should not put the flame as close next time. But do u think its better to get it all in. One hit or multiples ?

I personally now don't smoke pure spice, I infuse with Mullien with a 1:1 ratio.

Also I now use a VG. This way I guarantee a cannot burn my spice, I normally load up 50 to 60mg of enhanced leaf, I also cannot do it in one hit, my lungs cant take it, so I take 2 - 3 best hits I can, Hold for at least 15 seconds. not forgetting that mullien is half the product being smoked.

Have you tried enhanced leaf? of changa ?

Why do people go for torch lighters when we know DMT doesn't like too much heat?
Personally, I use a tealight. My machine is a bit unusual though, so I don't know if it would work for you. I place the tip of my machine an inch above the tip of the flame. I wait around 5-10 seconds, taking deep breaths. Then I either inhale or exhale very (very very) little air in the machine and see if it produces thick vapor-smoke. If it does, it's time for the hit. If it doesn't, I heat it a few more seconds.

And to answer your question, a single hit is more efficient. If you start feeling the onset when your lungs are nowhere near full, you're on the good path.

Its entirely possible that some peoples brain chemistries' means they have to have more to reach higher plateaus of effect.
Its not a one size fits all.

I am in your boat, 25mg doesnt do the buisness for me. I think you see 25mg given as a solid dose because it is for alot of people, advising a higher dose may lead to people who are sensitive to the Magic taking more than nesesary and then their gonna have a bad time.

If you vaped the whole lot and it was nice and smooth you havent burnt it and you simply need more. There is a huge difference between some doses i see people taking and my own, this not a bragging point its just points out that some monkeys need more fuel to get to the same place.

As long as you have all you vaping equipment set up efficiantly and your taking it in a single hit, then i would go for 25mg once more to see if it takes you to the same place, and if it does then I would start upping the dose in small increments

Thanks for the input. That is exactly what I was thinking myself. Maybe trying the 25mg again and then upping my dose if it doesn't get me there.

The last experience with 25mg was pretty intense but nothing compared to my second experience with 50mg. On that experience I actually felt as if I was rushing through or towards something and a dome appeared which I need her broken through

This last experience was slightly odd as not a lot of visuals. Mostly sound and a feeling. No sense of going anywhere though really.

Its almost as if lower doses are more anxiety provoking then higher ones. Although it may be alcohol also as my first two journeys I had been drinking but there was no fear at all. My last two journey with lower dose there was no other substances invllolved and they both Gave me the fear and resistance to letting myself go into where it would take me

Yeah Ive found most doses below sub-breakthrough ( apart from threshold theraupetic doses) to be discombobulating and edgy.