Has anyone found a therapeutical use of ayuhausca? I have been through a series of tragic events over the years leading me to some pretty extreme social anxiety and high stress in certain situations such as being at work. Ive found success with other forms of "spiritual therapy". I always found that smaller doses are most effective and help most when i am alone.

Anyways, I have been sober for years, but decided to try some ayuhausca. I am getting soo much conflicted information on doses, so hopefully someone here can clarify. I have exactly 5 grams mimosa hostilis and 5 g syrian rue seeds. Im thinkin 3 grams rue an all 5g mimosa would do the trick. I beleive the mimosa to be good qualityy as i purchased from medicineman herbals days before they stopped selling it, but it is a year old.

Any advice, especially on dosage? Also, i cant beleive im sayin this cuz ive always been a tea kinda guy, but i have been hearing great things about using the gelcap method, and i wont be able to brew some tea all day so has anyone here had success with gelcaps for both the rue and mimosa?

Seein how its been a week and no replies, i am assuming no one knows a good therapeutic dose? I could have asked elsewhere, but i thought this place was full of peeps who use it sacredly rather than a bunch of kids who want to get high as shit. Let me simplify my question. Do you think 5g mimosa and 3g rue both in gellcaps will be the right amount for my first time? Obviously there are varying elements involved, but theres soo much conflicting info an i only have enough ingredients to where i cant fuck this up.

Thank you

Yes.

I get more mileage from lower doses that aren't overwhelming. There is nothing in the world quite like working through emotionally challenging things than with the clarity and working memory that Aya provides. High doses are good for initiation into this, and also for periodic mystical-type experiences. I don't have it in me to have a high dose experience more than once per month or so, otherwise I walk around talking philosophically to everyone that will listen. I overthink everything to the nth degree. That level of intensity will cause you to build up more anxieties overtime as people around you start to notice you are behaving strangely, and that reflects back on you, and a vicious cycle of fear can be born. Working with a shaman gives you an 'out' in this regard because you can write the whole thing off as the work of one strange person and not your own thinking. Low dose avoids the hassle of these things completely.

When I have things on my mind that cause me to tense up, and therefore impacts everything I do, I take a sub-breakthrough dose, put on the most peaceful and pleasant music I can find, put on a blindfold, and sit my butt on the floor (with a pillow and blanket). I go back and forth between meditating and recording thoughts into a microphone (I use a livescribe pen). When you meditate, things that are on your mind have a way of rising to the surface, and then you have the choice to experience it and process it, or to distract yourself and ignore it. I think of this as not only purifying to the psyche, but also as a calibration tool to not fear feeling. With trauma comes fear of feeling your own emotions. This calibration technique re-teaches you to surf your own wave of emotional energy all over again, just like you did before the trauma occurred.

If you have specific trauma, you might have to work to focus on that pain. Go into that pain in the same manner I describe above. Use discipline. That's the difference between needed guided therapy and being able to work alone. It still might take longer without a therapeutic guide of some kind to help you navigate your memories and experiences, but yes, you can do this alone. And you might even find the process to be more rewarding and empowering to be able to master this craft on your own. It's a skill like any other. It's a universal skill of focused attention on intuitive feeling.




Dose is hard to say. It's both personal, and depends on the plant material.

Here's what you do:
1). Keep documentation of quantities and preparation methods in something that resembles a lab notebook.
2). Don't completely change your recipe every time you make it. Try to control for variables, including your intentions when you cook. Change one variable at a time, when possible.
3). Make the best calculated estimate of what a breakthrough dose should be. Write it down.
4). Take that calculated dose, cut it by one third (1/3rd), and work your way up. Start lower if your experience has been minimal to date (unless you want to crash into the mystical abyss for a few hours, but remember to be mindful of set and setting, time allotment for integration, etc etc).
5). Keep notes about experiences! This is the most important part because 3 months down the road you won't remember how much you took, nor much anything else about it besides some highlights and impressions.

This is work. Remember, if you want this to be therapeutic, you either need someone to coach you through the work of it, or you need to be prepared to do 'work' yourself. I wouldn't function at all if I didn't keep a relatively high level of discipline about most everything I do. But I'm weird like that. Everyone else seems to drift through life with infinite smiles. My reality is much different. I feel like a strange beast that needs taming in order to fit in with society.

Remember to keep your chin up, your heart filled with love, put one foot in front of the other, and keep your cool! The world isn't ready for this type of therapy yet. You are WAY ahead of the curve.

I certainly beleive it can be used therapeutically, though it might not be what you expect. It's definetly not a fix-it-all kind of thing that you take once and it makes your problems go away. It might make you more aware of the origins of your problems or the places where you can make changes to improve yourself. But it might also come in very coded messages that take a long time to decipher.

For me personally the higher doses work better, but I attribute this to the way my mind works - I like to work on abstract notions and symbols rather than looking at the the issues in their regular shape and appearance. I also find the mystical type experience to be very healing and usually gives me inspiration to find ways to heal myself after the trip.

I couldn't tell you about doses, especially with plant matter, since I've always only done extractions. I believe it is something you will have to get familiar with to really know what works best for you. However, unless you go way overboard with a too high dose, you can't really go wrong - it will certainly be an experience different from any other and will give you things to think about - which in my opinion is never a bad thing.

good luck.

Those are very helpful replies, especially yours Warrior. You seem to understandstang exactly what I want to acheive. Just to clarify one thing though, i have extracted my own "stuff" from this very batch with ridiculously amazing yeild and potency. I have smoked spice a hundred times. I had one particular breakthrough that instead of coming out with answers, I came back with a million questions that I am still analyzing a year later.

Those strong trips are great, but I find the most rewarding experiences are the ones you can relax and analize while tripping. For example, while most people will do an 8th of shrooms and call it a spiritual journey, I find 1g maybe 2g at most to be the mist rewarding. Any more is great to give me a new perspectuve of the world around me, but smaller doses give me much more control of seeking the answers I hope for so long as no one is around to distract me.

I think you guys are right though, I need to experiment. But I live in the US and no longer have a trusted source of mimosa. I am sure it can be found, but I just dont trust any site I havent used before. .

Edit: stupid phone made me reply the same thung twice