I havent tripped much lately but a suprise trip with 4acodmt a few weeks ago sparked the interst again.

Ive just collected a flush of maztapec cubensis and im thinking about ingesting about 5grams dry.

Ive had 3.5g before and it was a good strong +++ that was made funnier with n20 and a good friend.

Im wondering how the side effects differ with higher doses regarding body load etc?


Also im wondering if its likely to get ego death and/or breaktrough at these doses?


Ive never gotten to hyperspace on mushrooms alone. Ive been close with harmalas and all way through on a mesc combo once and with changa a xew times.

At 5g++ dried cubensis, I completely transcended into some Divine palace, ineffable place, inhabited by a king (or some God, if you will). The powerful entity demanded why I was there, who I was, how I had gotten in and so on, his voice sounding like thunder, whereby I got cast out and ended in an eternal loop of creation and destruction of the universe.

In short: It can get pretty damn strong =)

What Citta said.^^

I used to dose 4-5.5 g whenever I tripped on mushrooms, a couple of times going up to around 6 grams and only once topping out at 7g. It can get very very blissful, and very very scary. I honestly don't know if I will ever go there again, but likely not.

Strangely (and in accordance with others' anecdotes here and elsewhere), 1.5 -2.5 grams (of the same batch in the freezer for a couple of years) seems to get me where 3.5-4.5 used to. That is after a mushroom hiatus of around 2 years - I am so glad the first time I dosed after that long that I didn't foolishly try for 5 grams!!

It is definitely something to be experienced, and if you decide to, do a write up and let us know how it went! I always keep notes as the trip progresses, until I can no longer write and no longer understand the apparatus of the pen, and sometimes even the apparatus of my own hand!

Cheers,

JBArk

Well I can tell you what 14g feels like lol the body load is ridiculous and the trip is just straight up deleriousness. I was talking to ancient aliens in some foreign indian kind of language like tongues or something. I don't even like talking about this trip really.. Eddie murphy was talking to me through my tv he was doing stand up in the 80s or something idk it was some really messed up shit.. It was kinda cool but I wouldn't do it again! I prefer 1-2g trips. Those are the sweet spot for me. 5 grams will be fun tho just prepare to be prettyyyy jacked up pretty much what Citta said!

I've gone to the 5-7g realm a few times, it's not unlike sub-breakthrough DMT.

Obviously mushroom potency by strain (and even within the same strain) can vary incredibly, not to mention sensitivity and other less significant factors.... But the mushrooms that I have taken at those sort of doses and upwards had RIDONCULOUS body load (e.g. stomach pains/nausea, sweating, flushed skin) at first. In case you aren't already in the know, you should try either generous amounts of ginger tea an hour or so before you eat them, powdering right before consumption (but not too far before because I have heard this can degrade the actives faster), and last but certainly not least, papaya enzyme. Or really, all three.

Between 5-7 g's, I would expect intricate closed eye visuals, significant open eye visuals, language losing meaning and becoming sound, faces everywhere, ego transcendence, etc..... But of course YMMV.

Side note: If you liked the N20 on 3.5, consider checking that out in the 5g range

Best of luck with your endeavors!

I have to stress this. Sensitivity and strain, and other factors, really play a part. My tolerance is extremely high so my dosage would be very different from someone with a "normal" tolerance.

That said, 5 grams dried is typically a very intense dosage for most. What benzyme said is spot on. It'll remind you of sub-breakthrough DMT most likely. The body load can be uncomfortable at a dosage like that as well so best to do it in the most comfortable setting possible. Personally I would stay away from N2O or harmalas or anything that could potentiate the experience if you're not accustomed to that level of intensity.

Safe journey!

5g cubensis is what first broke me through. Time and space became irrelevant, my ego died and I reached some kind of nirvana. Then I got SEVERELY confused and freaked out for an eternity, or probably an earth hour or 2.

Most rewarding trip so far.

I cannot remember any bodyload, I think the experience grabbed my attention enough to distract me from the fact that I had a body.

Sounds like a decent dose then, ive grown the same strain before and they are quite strong for cubensis.

3.5g had me seing flying fractals and melting my friends face off.


I will have some time off next week so that might be the time.

I haven't done shrooms for a long time but this year I got a good haul of libs and I wish to dive back into the mushroom world with a bang.

I know this is about Cubensis not libs but does anyone know how 5g of libs compares to 5g of cubensis?

5 gramd dry cubes is way too much IME, for me. Yes I have done that before and it never goes over well.

It could just be a sensitivity thing. 5 grams of cubes goes beyond what I even seek out when I smoke DMT. I have had ayahuasca experiences where I just went overboard like that as well and it's never something I wish to repeat. Half that dose is still mindblowing enough and on par with anything mckenna ever talked about for me.

Some people are going to need 5g to get there..others will need one gram.

Although 3-4 grams is strong enough IMO and I nowadays don't go above that, I went above that a couple of times. It's far easier to come in that Oneness space where you just Be on higher doses. The downside is that when confusion sets in it can become terror with a big T for a while. I never regretted it and the comedowns and afterglow for days after were always just as great .
If you go into that realm, I would advise to have a sitter around because the confusion can get deeper when the dosage come above 3-4 grams, but if you get past the confusion you experience yourself in the most pure form .

I just read Benzyme's comment about it being not unlike sub breakthrough DMT.
On the other hand Jamie tells is beyond what's he's seeking in DMT.
I can't compare it yet to DMT but I think I will soon.

It's all so subjective it seems.

I recommend making a tea using about 100ml to 150ml water, divided into two shots. Pinch nose, toss it back, chase with fruit juice and toss the second shot back about an hour later. Easing into the trip by dividing the dose is less disconcerting as one shifts from baseline to peak. Combining with 100mg harmaloids produces a smoother deeper experience, imho.

Beyond 7g visuals become crisp with well defined geometry, similar to sub break thru dimitri.

Imo libs are almost double the potency of cubes.

When i eat liberty caps i usually go for 70-100 of them or close to 2g.

This is usually a very visual experience but libs are usually quite easy on the mind for me.


3.5g of my cubes were about the same intensity as that.

cheers Shroomtroll,

I thought they were stronger but wasn't sure how much, I might change my Friday night plans by a gram or so.

For me its usually easier to dose libs by counting them since smaller ones are more potent by weight.

they are already powdered so im gonna have to go on weight.

maybe I'll just eat 5g anyway

I was told here on the nexus to watch out with Libs as they are indeed much stronger. I found this on the Shroomery under dosage of Libs:

Lvl.1 0.6g
Lvl.2 1.0g
Lvl.3 1.7g
Lvl.4 2.7g
Lvl.5 3.6g

3rdI, let us know how the 5g went if you are sticking to that plan.

Safe travels!

I agree with those who have said that the higher the dose, the more delerious and dessociative the experience becomes with an uncomfortable bodyload. In my case, I tend to be sensitive to psychedelics so even 3 grams is waaay to much for me, causing me to hold on fo dear life! Different strokes for different folks though.

I think 4.5gr in form of a chocolade was the most i ever did.
It was a strange trip. Body load was like 5 times earth gravity.
Mind was incredible slow and i couldn't keep my eyes open.
CEV's where repulsively ugly and freaky.
It was either death/decay or insanity.
Visited an looping 8 Bit parallax scrolling Maya Glyph death factory.
Saw a dome around me, made off skulls and deformed heads, mocking me, lamenting my miserable fate, spouting hateful things. Even with open eyes the whole world was made out of talking heads looking at me, talking to me.

Internal dialog, me to myself.
"Hey, there is an disgusting deformed bloody head hanging over the fireplace, screaming in agony while puking gallons of oily black liquid all over the place."
"You took 4 and half a gramms of shrooms, what do you expect, Unicorns and rainbows?

While there was these extreme turmoil "around" me, strangely my mind was slow but crystal clear and absolutly NOT attached at all.
It was like an "external" hellish show of force, while i was sitting in the eye of the storm completly unimpressed and somewhat bored/dissociated with the spectacle.

An interesting lesson, shocking at first, but made me realise how to get nonattached to my perception.

But the body load
I felt sick most of the session, and numb and somehow powerless.
If i ever want to go so deep again i will do it with Harmala and with lemon tek/tea.