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Nathanial.Dread
#21 Posted : 10/3/2013 3:28:50 PM

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So, if you're selling drugs to someone, there is no victim because no one's rights are being infringed.
If you're exploiting children, you are in the wrong because you are depriving those children of certain rights.


Selling drugs is a victimless crime? Someone should let the cartels know that. I can think of about 50,000 dead Mexicans who may disagree though. There is a reason I produce the substances I consume whenever possible rather than buying them.

Also, on a hypothetical, SR was anonymous and sellers would sell to anyone with the BTC. What if some of the people on there buying drugs were in fact minors getting drugs mailed to their parents house? To say that selling drugs is a victimless crime is way to broad of a statement in my opinion. Also, what if you were to sell drugs to an anonymous person who used them to take advantage of someone else, is that still kosher?

I don't think this is as black and white as you are making it out to be.

It is victimless in the sense that the transaction between dealer and buyer happens with the full consent of both parties, and when someone uses those drugs, they are affecting only their own consciousnesses and exercising their right to bodily autonomy.

Now, the cartels are a good point, but that has little to do with the actual nature of the drug itself. In the case of drugs that came from the cartel, the crime is supporting murderers, not taking a drug.
It would no different then if milk were illegal.

And I'm not necessarily saying this is MY opinion, I was just explaining how the DPR might have justified running the SR is accordance with his own libertarian views.
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#22 Posted : 10/3/2013 3:30:41 PM

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It would seem... if the info about the murder for hire is true, that anyone having done business via SR would have contributed, albeit in very small proportions, to DPR's snuff plan. Thank the cosmos it didn't go down Smile
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#23 Posted : 10/3/2013 4:01:25 PM


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If this was true, they would have probably already gotten him through TOR scanning or similar but they got him through other means, dont you think?

If they used other means, do you think it would be reported? I've been posting for years articles on the FBI's interest in Tor and I seem to be ignored over and over again by people relying on what is IMO a false sense of security.

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There are other similar sites already and for sure more to pop up.

If they pop up and continue on Tor then they are, IMHO, not wise. If they choose another darknet service which has yet to receive much attention then they *might* survive... for a time.

At this stage of the game Tor is liability, not a safety: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack
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#24 Posted : 10/3/2013 4:08:53 PM

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Just to be clear, my point was not to defend TOR`s supposed safety, but to express that whether it is through TOR or another mechanism, people will always find a way out of control, just like control will probably eventually find it`s way in until the next move is done.... It`s the nature of the game, and I don`t think we`re reaching equilibrium any time soon
 
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#25 Posted : 10/3/2013 7:25:03 PM

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a1pha wrote:
endlessness wrote:
If this was true, they would have probably already gotten him through TOR scanning or similar but they got him through other means, dont you think?

If they used other means, do you think it would be reported? I've been posting for years articles on the FBI's interest in Tor and I seem to be ignored over and over again by people relying on what is IMO a false sense of security.

endlessness wrote:
There are other similar sites already and for sure more to pop up.

If they pop up and continue on Tor then they are, IMHO, not wise. If they choose another darknet service which has yet to receive much attention then they *might* survive... for a time.

At this stage of the game Tor is liability, not a safety: FBI Admits It Controlled Tor Servers Behind Mass Malware Attack

The problem is, anything that is on the same scale as TSR will garner attention for itself and whatever service is hosting it, especially since now lots of people will be looking for another place to get drugs online.

The cat's kind of out of the bag on this one, I think.

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#26 Posted : 10/3/2013 8:50:09 PM

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from a libertarian standpoint it was functioning well, the quality was top notch, buyers and sellers were in equilibrium. It was functioning outside of all authority. Granted it was run by a man willing to kill & had its share of evil doers but may be seen as a beacon of true freedom in the future. RIP SR
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#27 Posted : 10/3/2013 9:29:39 PM

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I know that following the attitude page and rules are a must here. I agree with that. Plaese everyone I hate to see the MODs having to edit your posts. Not cool.

I have been thinking for some time though that the use of javascript here is not good for those of us who want privacy and anonymity. It creates the possibility of malware exploits That expose users IP addresses. I am not a coder though so I do not know what the solution might be but I did want to bring that up for those of us in that realm.

On DPR I was quite disappointed to hear he had turned to seeking violent means to solve his issues. From the outside it looked like a good answer for those who wanted cognitive liberty and keep it to themselves and not be out in dangerous places and having checks and balances in community. Whatever means brought SR to a close I think it was this aspect of resorting to violence and a lack of humility that brought him down. This can hold true in anyones life and is great food for thought in how we respond to adversity.

I was not against the market but I abhor violence and if what we hear is true about his alleged plot then he got his karma full force. He should have given notice and closed it himself given his situation. Even those we consider our enemies are born of the same source we are and that should be held in our hearts.
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#28 Posted : 10/3/2013 9:31:58 PM

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skoobysnax wrote:
I have been thinking for some time though that the use of javascript here is not good for those of us who want privacy and anonymity. It creates the possibility of malware exploits That expose users IP addresses. I am not a coder though so I do not know what the solution might be but I did want to bring that up for those of us in that realm.

If you have malware then the last thing you have to worry about is that it is using javascipt to expose your IP address. Pleased


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#29 Posted : 10/3/2013 10:05:53 PM
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I have been thinking for some time though that the use of javascript here is not good for those of us who want privacy and anonymity.


Not saying I agree or disagree with your assessment but it you are truly worried about javascript I recommend NoScript for Firefox (Chrome as well I believe)

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On DPR I was quite disappointed to hear he had turned to seeking violent means to solve his issues. From the outside it looked like a good answer for those who wanted cognitive liberty and keep it to themselves and not be out in dangerous places and having checks and balances in community.


It shouldn't be surprising that an illicit economy worth close to a billion dollars is going to have some violence along with it. If you are dealing online or on the block, drug trafficking is a dangerous business that is likely impossible to separate from violence, even with decriminalization (although that would certainly help a bit).




 
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#30 Posted : 10/4/2013 12:36:58 AM

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Does anyone think The Shroomery being named in the complaint may bring extra unwanted attention here to The Nexus?
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#31 Posted : 10/4/2013 12:54:06 AM



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Interesting little article on all this

http://www.dailydot.com/...-market-reloaded-future/

endlessness wrote:
Just to be clear, my point was not to defend TOR`s supposed safety, but to express that whether it is through TOR or another mechanism, people will always find a way out of control, just like control will probably eventually find it`s way in until the next move is done.... It`s the nature of the game, and I don`t think we`re reaching equilibrium any time soon


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#32 Posted : 10/4/2013 1:23:02 AM

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#33 Posted : 10/4/2013 5:22:32 AM

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The Traveler wrote:
skoobysnax wrote:
I have been thinking for some time though that the use of javascript here is not good for those of us who want privacy and anonymity. It creates the possibility of malware exploits That expose users IP addresses. I am not a coder though so I do not know what the solution might be but I did want to bring that up for those of us in that realm.

If you have malware then the last thing you have to worry about is that it is using javascipt to expose your IP address. Pleased


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With the Freedom Hosting Tor exploit they used a line of code injected into javascript to infect visitors with the (alleged)NSA malware. I use Tor for a lot of browsing with NoScript enabled because i just plain don't feel Google needs to know everything I look at and its really mostly tech articles and nothing evil. That said it was a windows only exploit. Ars Technica has many articles on it. Bitdefender is a good tool to have btw...
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#34 Posted : 10/4/2013 6:55:03 AM

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Does anyone think The Shroomery being named in the complaint may bring extra unwanted attention here to The Nexus?


Why would that be?

About the hit: Well, buy the ticket, take the ride. I'm not FOR violence, but anyone who is deeply involved in this game should know the rules. And accept them before playing. It's not like they were all forced to play.

On the other hand, the judicial system of the state is unjust, because you cant opt out.
 
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#35 Posted : 10/4/2013 11:47:20 AM

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Pup Tentacle wrote:
It would seem... if the info about the murder for hire is true, that anyone having done business via SR would have contributed, albeit in very small proportions, to DPR's snuff plan. Thank the cosmos it didn't go down Smile

Did it not? The official complaint that I have been reading through seems to present evidence that perhaps a murder-for-hire did occur, but it doesn't seem to me that enough evidence has been found to prove that it did or that it didn't. I haven't read it all the way through yet, so perhaps there is more on the subject that I haven't seen so far...
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#36 Posted : 10/4/2013 4:23:30 PM

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Meanwhile child porn and other atrocious websites that are far more harmful continue to operate.



Fucking exactly!!!
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#37 Posted : 10/4/2013 6:03:56 PM

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its not perfect but what do you expect when some "brainless" individuals start spamming even in facebook with links to SR and text like. *Crystalmeth Pure* Heroin cheap, *Cocaine PURE white* Sad

Bout time that they took it down, mainstream kids are not ready for that! Crying or very sad
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#38 Posted : 10/4/2013 6:41:51 PM

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vineseeker wrote:
Bout time that they took it down, mainstream kids are not ready for that! Crying or very sad

This kind of argumentation is pretty much invalid since it is just a hollow phrase that can be used for anything and nothing.

Mainstream kids will probably never be ready for it and will very likely always find ways to procure any substance.

Please use real arguments when joining a dialog.


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#39 Posted : 10/4/2013 6:52:03 PM

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An interesting piece about the TOR network and how NSA and GCHQ try to compromize it:
http://www.theguardian.c...k-tor-network-encryption


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vineseeker
#40 Posted : 10/4/2013 7:09:31 PM

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The Traveler wrote:
vineseeker wrote:
Bout time that they took it down, mainstream kids are not ready for that! Crying or very sad

This kind of argumentation is pretty much invalid since it is just a hollow phrase that can be used for anything and nothing.

Mainstream kids will probably never be ready for it and will very likely always find ways to procure any substance.

Please use real arguments when joining a dialog.


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yes you maybe right but what i meant is that when people start making advertising or try to inform the mainstream of society about this kind of platform, then you can count the days until the LE will take it down. SR could exist in the dark with some people using it and not talking too much. But with the forbes interview + media etc. it was clear to me that DPR is gonna pay the price like leary and many others did too... Better stay underground!
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