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Nothing to say. iracema attached the following image(s): 19072013235.jpg (2,936kb) downloaded 1,332 time(s). 19072013252.jpg (2,061kb) downloaded 1,321 time(s). 19072013240.jpg (2,826kb) downloaded 1,315 time(s). 20072013270.jpg (2,890kb) downloaded 1,308 time(s). 19072013242.jpg (3,016kb) downloaded 1,313 time(s). 19072013248.jpg (2,145kb) downloaded 1,300 time(s). 19072013249.jpg (2,214kb) downloaded 1,276 time(s). 19072013253.jpg (1,973kb) downloaded 1,268 time(s).
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member for the trees
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..this is appalling! makes me sad similar things have happened with acacias in australia in the past.. i only hope suppliers of mimosa and acacia confusa can and do verify the ethics of what they are distributing.. people need to connect with the plants, but not at the plants' (and their environment's) expense and peril.. those who harvest like this are greedy, and the opposite of the kind of open-minded expansion which conscious interaction with plant entheogens can bring..
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Wow... just wow. "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." -A.Huxley
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Very very SAD.
I see you are from Brasil, one main supplier (adenium) for many shops is from Brasil, are these pics related to this supplier in your knowledge?
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omnia sunt communia!
Posts: 6024 Joined: 29-Jul-2009 Last visit: 29-Oct-2021
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This is very sad... but nothing in this paradigm of industrial global capitalism is sustainable. Until we address the root cause, these patterns will continue to repeat, whether we successfully stop the individual atrocities or not. Wiki • Attitude • FAQThe Nexian • Nexus Research • The OHTIn New York, we wrote the legal number on our arms in marker...To call a lawyer if we were arrested. In Istanbul, People wrote their blood types on their arms. I hear in Egypt, They just write Their names. גם זה יעבור
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SnozzleBerry wrote:This is very sad...
but nothing in this paradigm of industrial global capitalism is sustainable. Until we address the root cause, these patterns will continue to repeat, whether we successfully stop the individual atrocities or not. Well said. Pagan revival now! Back to the roots. What you don't understand, you can make mean anything. - Chuck P.
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The Neural wrote:SnozzleBerry wrote:Until we address the root cause, Back to the roots. NO!! Leave the freakin' roots alone, people! "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." -A.Huxley
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No pun intended!!! What you don't understand, you can make mean anything. - Chuck P.
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I found this hiking around the Ecological Station of Seridó, one of the largest protected lands of this kind of environment. Imagine what is to find in particular properties. I notified authorities and closed this trail for large vehicles, only bike and foot hike are allowed now. I cannot relate this particular case to any supplier, but I know this service is outsourced, so suppliers never get hands dirty. Anyway, all responsibility lies at those who keep the demand high.
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Tainted spice. There's a terrible irony and a sad contradiction in harvesting spice the opposite way to what its teachings would show you. Personally, I don't think I will buy dry plant matter again. Harvesting properly and gardening only. And not only as a reaction to this post... once you have grown it yourself, nothing compares. Thank you for the reminder. Hear, people, hear. "The Menu is Not The Meal." - Alan Watts
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How can people justify destroying things for profit?!? Vodsel wrote:... once you have grown it yourself, nothing compares. Everyone, listen to this man! Grow your own!
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Dioxippus wrote: How can people justify destroying things for profit?!? By conditioning us to think that money is the only way to survive or be happy. Let's prove them wrong, shall we? What you don't understand, you can make mean anything. - Chuck P.
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makes me glad i got my own hostilis plants going... a1pha wrote:Leave the freakin' roots alone, people! even a small ratio of only the lateral roots? My wind instrument is the bong CHANGA IN THE BONGA! 樹
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Parshvik Chintan wrote:even a small ratio of only the lateral roots?
It was humor at the unintentional puns... not a factual statement against sustainable harvesting of plants. "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." -A.Huxley
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"No, seriously"
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I remember that endlessness stated that Mimosa hostilis was pretty abundant at a certain region in Brazil and that the local people used it for woodwork like making fences with it. If they harvest the roots as a byproduct of cutting it down anyway for burning wood or woodwork then this is a more about optimal use of the tree. If they cut it down anyway, why not take the roots as well? If however these trees are only cut down for their roots alone and then left to rot away then this is pretty sad. So I like to know more about these pictures before I pass any judgement based on it. Kind regards, The Traveler
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member for the trees
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..if the trees are in a reserve/national park this isn't good..
sustainable model 1: if some (but not all) of the root bark is taken, but the rest of the plant left, then it will grow back more rootbark the next year (note: acacias can't do this)
sustainable model 2: the trunk/branch bark can be taken, and the tree is still there to make more over the next season..in another thread i'm looking for iracema pointed out much purported MHRB is probably trunk/branch bark and works fine..
sustainable model 3: trees can be grown in plantation for firewood etc..harvested in whatever manner wanted..
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It´s right what endlessness said. But that´s not an optimal use of the tree, it´s just devastation. For wood fire or woodwork the stump is left there and the tree sprouts again, what is sustainable.
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this is insanity. I cant even look at those pictures without feeling like im looking at dead people. In a way thats exactly what Im seeing. "Energy flows where attention goes" [Please review the forum Wiki and FAQ before posting questions]
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iracema wrote:For wood fire or woodwork the stump is left there and the tree sprouts again, what is sustainable. Plus I remember reading this is ideally done in the dry season, not now, for the tree to regenerate. These pictures show a lot of work done to unearth the trees and remove the roots while the trunks are left behind, so it does not look like wood harvesting at all. "The Menu is Not The Meal." - Alan Watts
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Posts: 1808 Joined: 29-Jan-2010 Last visit: 30-Dec-2023 Location: in the universe
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no doubt its sad to see the trees in such a condition , whats more wasteful is the fact much of mimosa powder is being seized by the customs these says and destroyed , thus an overall wasteful activity illusions !, there are no illusions there is only that which is the truth
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