Hello DMT-Nexus this is my first ever post although i've been lurking here for years. i've only actually been able to finally come across some incredibly pure DMT recently and after i had smoked some in a double inline percolated water-pipe with some fine cannabis (that i had earlier mixed in evenly) I closed my eyes and saw a red space with orange wisps of light resonating from what seemed to be pillars in what would be for lack of a better term the 'center' ( I remember remarking that it looked very reminiscent of this piece that alex grey did you can see it here http://gemandjamfestival...s/2012/12/alexgray1.jpg but without the faces, eyes, and universes) and i felt unbelievably warm, then suddenly very cold, the place i was disappeared and everything was black but with unbelievably intricate green and purple type shaded patterns, and i looked around and saw beings that looked incredibly long and thin with a wide chest and very elongated heads and they too were covered in these patterns, they almost seemed to glow from them, it was at this time i realized i was in a room with a for lack of a better term 'dirt' floor and there was a low ceiling that looked kind of like where i was before but made of 'stone' and everything was covered in the patterns but not quite the same as the beings, once i stopped looking around i realized i was on my side and i went to get up or at least speak to the beings but then i started sinking through the floor, and i went in reverse to the place i was before and then it became brown and then black and i opened my eyes and i was back home again. Now I've had some closed eye visuals with DMt and some pretty meaningful experiences but I'm having trouble understanding this one, also what is qualified as a 'blastoff' I'm no stranger to Out of body experiences and am a seriously experienced psychedelic user, I feel that DMT is a whole different category and to me personally it feels purely devine every time, anyways I would just like some Thoughts/feedback on this, thank you for your time and i hope that I may come to the forums humbly and help others with my experiences, thanks for ready and i just cant wait to hear back

Welcome

I'm pretty new to this site too (long time reader, short time member), but I've taken the journey quite a few times before and I can relate to the complexity and bizarre nature of what you've experienced. The thing with DMT trips, however, is that (regardless of some common themes between different people) the symbols and designs and images that you see are incredibly personal, and no one other than you will able to make any sense out of them. That is, if there's even sense to be made. In order for anyone here to really interpret any of the symbols you saw, they would need to know an immense amount of personal information about you. I wish I could help you understand what you saw, but the idea of 'understanding' and 'sense' doesn't always hold much weight in that place.

As far as the term "blast-off" goes, it has different meanings for different people. It usually refers to that feeling you get at first onset of your trip, when you can use the speed that it's increasing at to sort of judge how far you're going to end up. You'll hear things like "blast-off, break-through, pattern stage, entity stage" and things like that, but I'm a believer that everyone's DMT experience is incredibly different. There are certainly some similarities in the initial stage of the experience, namely that you see patterns, they get closer and more intense, you sort of go through them, you're in a place filled with entities and lots of crazy stuff. This being said though, I've had many many variations on this experience, ranging from being stuck in the patterns forever, to making entity contact while never leaving my body.

The only way to truly make sense of what you see in the DMT space is to keep going back (unless it warns you not to, or if you feel like you're over-doing it; it can be bad if you go there unwelcome), try very hard to remember exactly what you see and experience, and realize that the visual images you see are only a small part of what's being communicated. To quote the proverbial therapist/shrink: "how did it make you feel?" I've found that the most important messages being communicated come through in the form of feelings and emotional associations. What does a dirt floor make you think of, what did the shape of the beings make you remember or think of, stuff like that.

Looking for anyone to help explain specific images that you got isn't going to get you much results, unfortunately. It's all too subjective

Hi, I am new to this site also and also just had my 1st DMT experience just last Saturday. I was not sure what to expect since I have read so many experience reports on the subject. Psychedelics are not new to me, since I have done many of them in my teens and twenties but not many since then. Now I am middle aged and I have gotten a renewed interest since I am trying to expand my spiritual self and have read about many ways that entheogens can do that. I took a deep hit mixed with oregano then felt this surging like nitrous and after that I saw all sorts of pulsing and swirling colors and I remember thinking this makes no sense because some people have very intricate and detailed stories of beings and life but when I thought this makes no sense also all of these stories I started laughing and giggling because when I came to that really made me think life makes no sense which actually made me happy because what I experienced was pure life without thought and that gave me a great realization and feeling for the rest of the night. So I just keep thinking all this stuff does not have to have any meaning it seems almost best just to totally let go and experience to the fullest.

I'm also new here, and just getting into Aya-brews, and spice. I've yet to breakthrough, and I've been amazed at hard it's been to get everything I needed together at the same time with the space to make it. It has taken years. In no way typical for me. Now I have what I think is very reasonable crystals, and I can't keep them down.

The rue goes down, and stays down. The spice is nearly a no-go orally. Just complete bodily rejection. I've kept it down long enough for some vague CEV and OEV, but nothing worth the effort of getting there. I've taken enough b.caapi alone to experience it as a slight psychedelic. I use rue now because it's cheaper, stronger. I think I'm just wasting my spice by throwing it all up before it can get into my blood, but I have a lot of it now, and perseverance furthers.

The power does seem to be in the harmines. The majority of the good I've gotten has come, I think, from them. Emotional changes, insights that don't fade with the drug, not a "masking" anti-depressant effect but an unreasonable lightening of mood, a "putting things in perspective"...

I've been hammering at this particular door for a while. Right now the effect of the harmines seem to be what Aya is about for me. As if I'm doing some physical healing that must be done before I can get to the light. But what seems to be, and what is...sometimes the twain don't touch.

This is the greatest adventure of my life.

hey 23aka23, are you swallowing your spice in freebase form or in salt form? I've found this to make a difference when it comes to nausea. The acid in your stomach will convert it to DMT HCl, and you're swallowing it as a freebase, this reaction can certainly upset your stomach.

Sarek,

I did an A/B using vinegar, naphtha, and sodium hydroxide so it was a base. I had no scales, no pH paper or meter so everything I did was overdone. I added the sodium till it smelled like fish. Science at its best. god knows how base my spice is. It's base enough to light up a person's mouth.

This is my third go 'round with spice. The first time, five years ago, a pound of MHRB was thrown out with the garbage while I was just getting to know b.caapi on its own.

The second time was six months ago. I did a cold extraction w/o acid over the course of two weeks of both rue and fifty grams of MHRB. I don't remember how much rue but enough... >six grams (if it's 3 grams to a teaspoon). I waited till I felt the rue, downed in a 1/4 cup the equivalent of ten grams of MHRB, waited 45 minutes, repeated, and then doubled the amount (an apparent forty grams in a cup). The rest disappeared in the measuring cup, and glass. I immediately threw up the first ten grams, slowly sipped and kept down the second, immediately threw up the third dose. Very little spice effects but they were present... a bit of light, shimmering, iridescent colours. Heavy harmines, good on the soul, but DMT... just not allowed. I then made a hot extraction (days later), and had virtually the same experience. Got sicker.

This time I bought a kilo of a.confusa, and every bit of glassware and equipment and chems a good man might need. And most of it either broke in transit or due to my clumsiness. I took about a quarter to a third of it, and did the A/B tek, freezer precipitation for two pulls, evaped the rest. Got nearly pure white crystals from the two pulls, and some vicious looking goo from a third pull that looks as dangerous as it is dark. How much I got I don't know. No scales.

I did try acidifying the base today after throwing up the first time. It's all by guess. I put a dab in lemon concentrate before ingesting it. There just seems to be a "No Entrance" sign in my gut as far as Aya's concerned. I'm guessing others have had this trouble, and it's just something to get through like all the other trouble ZI had accessijng this stuff. ANY suggestions would be welcome.

Wow what a pain man... It sounds like something's setting up obstacles for you; could be a good thing. Nothing feels better than overcoming obstacles. You'll likely get rewarded for persevering when you finally make it over these hurdles.

I'd be sure to give the freebase DMT (I'm not sure if there's such a thing as more basic DMT and less basic DMT, but I'm not a chemist so I could be wrong) more time to convert to a salt. I'd say let it soak in the lemon juice for a while, dissolve it, and then just down the whole thing. You could also try sublingual DMT acetate made with vinegar (I believe Q21Q21 has posted a lot of info on that, and a lot on acetates in general).

I'd be really careful if I were you, doing pharmahuasca without a scale. I did about 350 mg of crystal clear spice with a rue tea last winter because I failed to research dosage properly. It was far from what I would call pleasant, and not something I would recommend to anyone. If you're willing to shell out the cash for the glassware I'd highly advise getting a proper scale. This could also help you adjust your fish-smelling basifying technique

I'm extremely flattered that you refer to what I've done as a technique. Rather than use its long-form nomenclature, "fish-smelling basifying technique", I think it should hereinafter be referred to simply as the FSBT. Personally, I have come to fondly refer to it as the "F*ck it. Do it anyway" technique or the "FIDIAT". One day I'll write it up as "AKA's Galactic Desperado Tek" ("AKAGDT", patent it, and we can share the profits.

Thanks for the suggestion about soaking the freebase. I'll give it a try. I can work up my courage for this about once a week.

I was sort of aiming at sub-lingual today. I rubbed it into my gums, trying not to swallow. Not the same, I know. I'm going to keep knocking on this door in this way for a while yet. Maybe till I have to make another batch, or re-do the material I've used *(xylene next). It's frustrating, but something about it feels needful. I'm not going to be stubborn about it though. I'll be trying Q21Q21's tek before it's over. And, though I'm no longer fond of needles, I'll give it a try that way.

Until now, peyote was the only real medicine I knew of. The harmines, at least, have a similar effect on me as peyote. Not the same, but it's the only possible comparison for me. Mushrooms, acid, mda... fun toys. Aya... serious bidness.

It seems strange that the DMT part is making you nauseous. I suspect its actually the rue.

Did you brew the rue or ingest the seeds raw?
I've read counts of ingesting raw seeds making people nauseous.


RUE BREW
1. 3x vinegar boils, 1hr each. (About 1 tablespoon vinegar per boil and maybe a squeeze of lemon if I have one)
2. Combine all liquid and reduce until one shot glass is equal to a 3.5g dose.


Also, I saw your planning to use xylene with your next extraction. Be sure to read about washing the product with acetone.



Have fun!

And don't grind the rue seeds up! They work fine whole

Thanks for the suggestions.

I tried the rue whole, first time. Then ground them and swallowed them. Then went from a cold, non-acidic extract to a hot, acidic extract. What I've settled on is boiling 5 teaspoons of ground rue in two cups of filtered water with three capfuls of lemon extract for two hours, twice. Then reducing that to whatever suits. Today it was 1/2 cup so 1/4 cup gave me about 7 1/2 grams of rue. I always go over so it was something in excess of 7 1/2 grams. I'll take the rest in spoonfuls over the next day or two till it's gone.

I'll definitely check out the acetone wash. The fumeric acid tek looks good, too.

It's always taken a lot of whatever for me to get off, but I've never run into anything like this. The harmines all by themselves are astounding in their subtle power. What a gift.

To whom shall I say, "Thank you"? Where's a decent god when you need him?

Howdy greencamel,

Sounds like you had a breakthrough experience!

Welcome to the nexus! I'd recommend checking out chat sometime and saying hello. Chat can be very useful for getting questions answered.

Looks like your thread got kind of hi-jacked, meaning the topic diverged from the original post. Maybe re-introduce yourself in the introduction essay area.

Also, when you post on the nexus, be sure to use paragraphs. Reading a block of text can be difficult.

DMT is bizzare stuff. Be sure to take your time with it. Luckily, you've come to a great resource of all things DMT.

Are you planning to extract your own?


Welcome!
Wearepeople

No Ordinary Moment,

You say, "So I just keep thinking all this stuff does not have to have any meaning it seems almost best just to totally let go and experience to the fullest."

Yowsa! Me, too. It's irrational. I think it does have meaning, but not one we can impose on it, or are capable of apprehending. "The universe is not only stranger than we know; it's stranger than we can know." The changes I feel in me from harmines/spice emerge w/o my volition or effort beyond consumption, and certainly with my appreciation but occur prior to thought, earlier than ideas that I can "speak" in my inner dialogue.

Strolling through the garden, gathering these experiences like a bouquet of wild-flowers to be carefully arranged some future time when I'm more capable, seems to be the order of my day.

sure they work yet perhaps 1/3 the potency of powdered seeds ,
always grind them to a powder , use a mixer-grinder/food processor or whatever

WONDERFUL! thank you, how unbelievably clear and concise, thank you so much for your answer, I wasn't looking particularly for any answer quite about 'what those beings are' rather than if anyone had had a similar experience, and I definetly know what you mean with the variations of DMT trips, am an incredibly experienced psychonaut and I definetly feel that DMT is not a drug and I understand its spirtuality, interestingly enough, after coming back from meeting those beings as I was fading away back to 'reality' I heard a voice say 'maybe we'll speak next time, come back soon' and ever since then when i smoke DMT i hear a spiritual guiding voice, not quite my conscience, it sounds different every time but i always understand it, sometimes its a buzz, a vibration, or actual words, I have done some thinking and I believe that the beings I saw are actually ET's that the cavemen first drew, and being in that place made me feel humble, and like i was in true reality, I kind of got the feeling like me and the three beings were meditating in this room, and the meditating was controlling the flow of all things, and when i realized i was there it stopped, I've had a slightly similar although almost polar opposite experience with salvia before where i was a cog in a giant wheel of people keeping the larger being of humanity going (I wont delve un more but if anybody is interested PM me i have the report written on my computer, I've obviously done Psychs since too) Side note, yesterday when I was on mescaline in my bathroom, I was looking in the Mirror and saw myself, then with no meld/melt/switch there staring me dead in the eyes was Ra the sun god of egypt, and he told me that DMT is the soul of being, and it is in all things, and that i should learn extraction if this is really a path I wish to pursue.

You have inspired me to start the path of getting ingredients for my own aya brews, i have also considered taking a trip to south america and doing it in a ritual setting, has anyone done this before? and would you recommend it?

Whoa, cool!

Thank you wearepeople! I was pretty sure that it was a breakthrough and I've had fully spiritual experiences every time ive smoked DMT.

Before ive had some closed eye visual experiences but never quite going 'out'

although my first profound DMT experience happened the first time i took Mescaline

5 mins before the 3 hour come up mark i smoked a bowl out of that same double inline waterpipe, i held it for quite a long time, i had 'DMT the Spirit Molecule' on in the background and I wasn't paying attention anymore (its important to mention i had smoked a few bowls with DMT in it through the come up, small amounts though, and the bowl that got me was the same size)

I was looking around me in total blackness out of the sides of this 'nothingness' (it was a space i just didnt know what kind or where) came two INCREDIBLY BEAUTIFUL strings of psychadellic green/orange that started dancing and wraping themselves together toward me

eventually they got right in front of my face and hit me, I was completely surrounded by theese strings and upon closer inspection I realized it was a language that I never learned how to read before and had never seen (upon reflection I am 100% positive this language is Sanskrit)

I realized that this language made up all knowledge that i needed to sort through to get to 'THE ANSWER' and at this point i noticed the narrator of 'DMT the Spirit Molecule' say 'when you've blasted off everything happens so fast that you dont have time to ask, whoa where am i, what is this, why am i here, what does this mean?'

so I instantly asked those questions I heard my voice with no body and my voice shot out into the darkness, hit the words, and SHATTERED THEM! PEICES OF THIS LANGUAGE BLASTED AROUND THIS SPACE AND ILLUMINATED EVERYTHING AND I WAS WHOLE AGAIN FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE I LOST THE GODHEAD FROM MY TERRIBLE SALVIA EXPERIENCE

all I wanted to do was thank whoever or whatever had made this all possible I was convinced it was ET's or God (for lack of a FAR BETTER TERM)

but to my surprise when i sent out my wave of burning bright neon pink love the 'nothingness' was blasted bright and the darkness went away, and i was looking myself dead in the eye

I opened my eyes and realized that I had finally broke through all of the things that have ever held me back, self doubt, childhood trauma, ect. and ever since then I HAVE LOVED MYSELF.

Sorry for launching into that I got a little carried away, but yes, after all of my experiences and having literally never any bad reaction, i DEFINITELY want to extract, I feel it might actually be my life's calling, and I'll try and work on making the text more readable, I've always been bad with run-on sentences

kudos greencamel!

That was very readable.

Keep reading and researching!

It's a pleasure to have you here. Loving One's self is Key!


Love,
Wearepeople

greencamel,

"the path of getting ingredients for my own aya brews"

yay!... one cool thing... (Edited by Moderator...Please no talk of Procuring). That's a LOT of room for mistakes, and you'll still have a mountain of sacrament left over once you get going. It's a tough molecule. I managed to get some really nice crystals even though I ended up doing the A/B process w/o scales or pH paper/meter. Brewing Aya is the same as making tea. There are way many others that know so much more than me here, but if I can help, please let me know. Good luck...


"i have also considered taking a trip to south america and doing it in a ritual setting, has anyone done this before? and would you recommend it?"

I haven't had the opportunity either, but if I ever get any money in my pocket again...