UK

Wherever I look online for help regarding distilled water then all I seem to see is that tap water is ok but distilled water is better and cheap so worth spending a little on.
Well I'm not seeing cheap distilled water anywhere, it's very pricey. Some people say that deionised water is the same but it's not. Also, adding salt to the tek is a very wise move resulting in far higher yields and this is done to ionise the water, so deionised water would appear to be a bad idea regarding yield right?
So, Americans seem to be able to get distilled water for about a dollar a gallon and I can get a litre for the equivalent of ten dollars.

So many problems for us in the UK with this extraction.
Naphtha is poorly defined and there's about a billion different opinions on this, some say this one's awesome and others say it's crap, then some say this is good for yield but not for quality and vice versa then ter's the carcinogenic ones which I dO NOT want to be using).
It seems in America you can just walk into your local supermarket, buy a good amount of distilled water, over to another aisle for your VM&P naphtha, grab some salt, get some lye from the gardening section, head home and STB your way to a fun tomorrow. While we're digging around the internet trying to find the best thing to match VM&P naphtha, trying to find a way to not bankrupt ourselves on distilled water and hope in the end we got the right gear.

I don't want to use tap water because where I live is notoriously crap for fluoride, chlorine and impurities. Can I use mineral/spring water as an alternative to distilled water? It's very cheap compared to the distilled I've seen.
I was just wondering if the PH level would even be important considering I'll be basifying it before it even comes into contact with the MHRB. Also what about all the minerals in spring water, will they react with the DMT in any way? I know these won't be sliding over to the NPS with the DMT so I know I don't need to worry about purity at the yield stage, but I was wondering if it did any reacting that we don't want with the DMT before I pull the DMT and therefore either affecting the yield or the molecule itself. I don't want to accidentally make some 5-meo-DMT or something haha.

Sorry for the moan, it's so frustrating and I've literally spent months trying to get my head around this and still I have no decent definition of naphtha, which hydrocarbons I want and which to avoid, what to look for on a can of panel wipe etc. And as I said, I just can't find this "cheap" distilled water I keep reading about. I guess we just don't get it over in the UK and therefore it's expensive.
How strange considering I can get Twinkies over here and I think I'll grab one tomorrow as I'm in the vicinity

I just want to do this extraction safely and easily with no drama's and I want to make the purest I can, I don't want jungle, I want white, white, white.

All uk water has been de-flouridated so you don't have to worry about that. Tap water is fine for an stb, ive never had any problems. Ronsonol lighter fluid is the best naptha in the uk imo. Yes it's kinda expensive but even if you have say a kilo of bark then do ten 100 gramme extractions and save your naptha after each extraction, obviously using freeze precipitation to collect your spice.

If you are dead set on distilled water then a google search will get you 25litres for 26 quid. Personally i wouldn't bother though.

Swim don't know if this help but here in Melbourne, Australia. Swim would once upon a time before making his own of course would buy distilled water at his local Coles supermarket

$2 = 1 liter bottle

will upload a pic

anyway just wanted to add with a few things from any hardware or plumping store around the world you can make yourself a reflux condenser. Since swim brew's his own 94-96% ethanol for drinking as well as extractions of all sorts the head is 100% copper with a stainless steel boiler (never use aluminium or you will make poison). a $60 kids 3000lt pool and $50 water tank pump is great for cooling the condenser to save needing to run from the tap.

Swim will upload basic still blueprints in the future if there is requests and if permitted here

I can`t imagine the trace minerals and impurities of your tap water will have any impact in the slightest.
If they did have an impact, it would likely have a huge impact on the health of the public in your area due to the toxicity of drinking and bathing in the water.
Using it for an A/B or STB imo would be far lower risk than drinking or using the tap water for everyday uses.
Save some money, Solvents cost enough as is!

Thank you everyone, this has actually been useful.
DeMenTed, I just checked my local water supplier and they fluoridate the water at 1mg/ltr. Sucks to actually see it in writing from my supplier.
Also I am quite set on using distilled water simply for the sake of purity. Thank you for mentioning the 25ltr search. All others came up useless but adding 25l to my search got me what I wanted. Thanks for the advice

Ah, I just looked closer at that listing and they said that their final process is de-ionising. I don't have an answer on this yet but if you're using salt to force more DMT into the NPS wouldn't this require more salt and if so are there any numbers to be mindful of in terms of mg/salt per mg/bark or ml/water?
Or is water that has been de-ionised totally off limits?
Sorry for all the questions. I can follow a recipe but I'm no scientist

I started a thread a few years ago because i was concerned about fluoridated water, as it turned out i'm kinda lucky as i'm in Scotland and the water isn't fluoridated here. You might be interested in reading the thread, especially post 5 by infundibulum, he states no fluoride would get into the final product https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=10266

I don't think you would have any problems with de-ionized water as ive seen it being used in lazymans tek so it must be fine

My question about de-ionized water was regarding the use of salt for iodization and as far as I know lazyman's tek doesn't use salt so that still doesn't answer my question. Thanks for the link though

I would urge you to write to your local council informing them that the EU has banned fluoridated water in the preparation of food as fluoridated water is classed as a medicine http://rense.com/general86/aurop.htm

Surely your council can't expect you to use distilled water to boil some spuds! lol

Here's a more in depth article http://www.ukcaf.org/eur..._end_to_fluoridatio.html

Hello Stationdragon,

check out this link:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...t=40773&find=unread

It might change your idea of using distilled/de-ionized water after all.

Why use distilled water if you can just use tap water?

If you think you might get a little more out of the extraction by distilled water then just add a few extra drops of tap water to compensate.

The trace amounts of minerals in tap water are extremely low (<1%). So again, if you are worried about not getting it all out, then add another 1% of tap water to compensate.

Using distilled water in bottles is bad for the environment, so please use tap water.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

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[..] Also suitable for use with steam irons [..] !!

1.3 GBP or $2 per litre. Won't get cheaper than that. And hey, it's explicitly for steam irons, isn't that great? :-)

And don't you guys have pharmacies in the UK? Ask for petroleum ether, because you need a cleaning agent for removing stickers/labels/patches/gunk from your healed wound/electronic hardware/precious you-name-it hardware. Low boiling (30-40°C or 40-60°C) please, because that gunk is sticky as hell and high boiling naptha you've already tried with no success...

[..] Petroleum ether is mostly used by pharmaceutical companies [..]
[..] Petroleum ether is useful for removing the gum from self-adhesive stamps. It is the main ingredient of some 'label remover' or 'sticker remover' products. [..]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_ether

Here's a vendor for that purpose: http://www.stratlab.co.u...q=&Tp=#.UYi8cJx9Xz4 (no shipping to private addresses however)

Edit: nice vendor for different solvent needs: http://mistralni.co.uk/

Edit2: could also work:

* n-pentane
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* www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271194574136
* www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281070973270

your so right traveler

Swim uses distilled water for seedlings and cutting his 93%+ ethanol for drinking since tap water completely DESTROYS the brew by making it go cloudy on top of adding unwanted flavor.

If you guys say tap water if fine for extractions ill take your word on it


stationdragon if you have distilled water and add a salt that i WILL NOT name it becomes what speed/meth cooks call hot water here in my part of the world, this is something i'm sure you DO NOT need for what is done here..