Heyho dear beloved Nexians!

I plan a serious Ayahuasca session using Banisteriopsis caapi and Psychotria viridis the next time, including a supplementary dose of 3 Datura seeds.
The target is to cure (or/and find spiritual reason) my remaining health issues, which consist of thyroid dysfunction, acne and inborn high grade amblyacousia.

While I was researching Changa, I got the information here at Nexus, that additive plants will be potentiated around 10X. So I thought, why not add plants, which are known to threat these issues at least to some extent, to the Ayahuasca brew.

Regarding acne, I found:
Aloe Vera
Matricaria recutita

Regarding thyroid dysfunction, I found:
Salvia officinalis (maybe Salvia divinorum works also?)
Alchilea millefolie

Regarding high grade amblyacousia, I found:
Helleborus niger aka Hellebore

My question is mainly, if there have been any problems using any of the combinations mentioned can cause serious trouble with MAOI's, i.e. it is safe to add them to an classical Ayahuasca? If you know something about proper dosing, for a medium strength Ayahuasca, I would be glad if you can help me.
The question is especially about Helleborus niger which seems to be as dangerous as Datura. However Helleborus niger contains Saponine and Protoanemonin as psychoactive ingrigents. Is there any known bad interaction with MAOI's like Caapi?

Any suggestions? Thank you very much in advance!

Heyho folks!

I did some further research and it seems that Hedera helix is a better replacement for Helleborus niger. It also is described of helping with inborn amblyacousia.
Does anyone here have experience with any plant additions mentioned above in an Ayahuasca brew?

Hello BastyCDGS,

I'm not sure ayahuasca will be able to heal your physical illnesses. Concerning the plants you mentioned, aside from searching for their chemical constituents and looking for known reactions with maoi I would definitey do an allergy test on all of them prior to mixing with ayahuasca.

Concerning the Salvia plant I suspect that salvia officinalis will work more than salvia divinorum, if it is implicated. They are very different plants, even from appearances. Salvia officinalis is a wonderful medicinal plant - personally I love drinking its tea when I have a sore throat. I've never heard of its use for thyroid problems. Can you link me to some information on this, I'm very interested.

Sorry I can't be of more help, but if you for example list some of the questionable contents of these plants perhaps more people will be able to give answers.

Dear Enoon, thank you VERY, VERY much for your response!



I know, that it won't be anything like: Take some aya and everything will go fine, like you would, e.g. with aspirin to threat headaches. I know that I have to go very, very deep in me in order to find a cure (if possible).
I guess you mean by doing an allergy test, take any of these plants in a very low dose and see how I react to them?
But what I know, my diseases are cause of defective DNA (at least partially) derived from my parents and I know that Ayahuasca works very well on DNA level, so I will give it a serious try.



I had very profound experiences with Salvia divinorum 40X extract during the last week which also caused me to find a new strict, but heartful plant teacher who is currently testing me for honesty, truthfulness and respect.
I will post some experience reports about this very soon. This was so extreme powerful and even triggered a completely synchronistic situation 4 days ago where I had to save two lives from death by drowning, which was caused by helping a woman which just fled from psychiatry. At least, I currently interpret it that way. That's why I think that Salvia divinorum might help me during an aya experience.

But in order to answer your question, let's quote from: http://www.yourhormones.com/thyroid/thyroid_function.html
Plants that Promote Thyroid Receptor Function (Step 5)
Phytotherapeutic agents that support optimal thyroid hormone function by promoting the availability and function of RXR receptors include Rosemary (Rosmarinus officinalis) and Sage (Salvia officinalis) which provide carnosic acid, a polyphenolic diterpene that at low concentrations increases the number of RXR receptors [44] [45]. As noted, before TRs can work, they must attach themselves to another receptor called RXR. With adequate RXR function, the TR is able to go through the next step of heterodimerization.
Thyro-Mend™ contains clinically effective dosages of Rosemary (Rosmarinus officinalis) and Sage (Salvia officinalis) which work together to promote optimal thyroid receptor function.



Hey, that's perfectly fine. You already helped me a lot! I don't expect from one single person to give me the ultimate answer...if that would be possible, we wouldn't need a forum at all, right?
But one question, what do you mean by questionable contents? Effective alkaloids of those plants?

I meant the contents of the pants that you are doubtful about - like you did with the Helleborus plant.

And yes with allergy-test I meant taking a small amount of each plant and seeing if you have any adverse reaction. You could also try a skin-allergy test as a first step. Apparently the ivy you are thinking about using causes strong skin reactions in some ppl when come in contact with it but it didn't say anything about when ingested so I'd test it.

Interesting about the rosmary and sage. I've never heard anything about adverse reactions to these very common herbs when mixing with aya, so my guess is they should be fine, but I'd get a second opinion. If you brew them in I bet your aya will taste delicious

I don't know if salvia divinorum works when put into an aya brew, i suspect that it doesn't. The only known ways to ingest it afaik are quidding and smoking. You can however smoke salvia D. while tripping on aya... though I'm not sure I'd be up for that. It sounds like a very intense mixture. ultimately this is up to you.

I would also do a test-run with the amount of datura seeds you intend to take, just so you know what the effects of this dose are. I would also not go over 3 seeds.

Hope your experiment goes well. Do report back and tell us about it!

High again!



What was interesting, that Helleborus niger has a cousin called Hyoscyamus niger, which is a plant containing tropanes just like Brugmansia and Datura. However, Helleborus has different alkaloids than Hyoscymus (which has atropine and scopolamine like Datura and Brugmansia):
Protoanemonin
Ranunculin



Great to see I understood you correctly! By small amounts you mean an ED50 or even lower than this?



That's good to hear and I fully agree that a second (and a third perhaps?) opinion would be glad.



I just read a thread here on Nexus today concerning Salviahuasca which sounded really profounding and interesting to me: http://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/d...aspx?g=posts&t=24444

This will, of course, be extreme intense, although I have two experiences with mushroom ayahuasca, I bet the DMT will be quite different, so it might not be a wise idea to take such a powerful plant like Salvia on the first DMT aya.



Yes, I know how deadly plants containing tropane alkaloids can be (and are). That's why I just choose to take only 3 seeds (knowing that the safe-margin is less, equal than 10 seeds).



Of course, I will! Expect some older trip reports with mushrooms from me soon, too...

On the other hand, I am thinking what about just take the plain ayahuasca for the first step and ask her what I have to do on further steps. If other plants are required, she will tell me. Actually, the shamans from Peru, etc. gathered their healing properties this way.
Also I should consider to threat all 3 issues at once or separately in 3 distinct sessions?