I've never used any psychedelic in my life before ( ), and recently (for about a week) I've been spending nearly every our of my waking day learning about DMT, to the exclusion of anything else (Reading lots of wiki pages, and the erowid vault). But, I still have one question that's been itching at the back of my mind. Which to use first, small (Not enough to breakthrough) hit of DMT, or small hit of LSD? DMT is pretty appealing to me (on a safety related issue) because you aren't conscious (As far as I know) when tripping hard, as apposed to LSD, where you're conscious throughout the entire trip.

I have a sitter with me that is completely fine with me doing either, and I have a nice safe environment to do so in.

So, which do you think is easier for the mind of someone who has never tripped before in his life? Obviously, I'm still going to do more research from other places after I find them for 3 to 4 weeks, maybe even a few months before I actually do anything.

As for the wiki pages, I've read:
The DMT Page
Health and safety
Known substance-interactions and their effects
Ingestion Methods
Numerous "The machine" pages/variations
And some more I don't remember the name of.

Thank you for any help!

Between lsd and dmt? I would definitely say lsd. You have to experience tripping in some form to have an idea of what to expect, and a lighter form of a hit of lsd is weaker than a hit of dmt. With dmt its more of a voyage to another universe as opposed to a hit of lsd being mainly tracers and body vibes for a couple hours. Even a low dose of shrooms could be a good starting point. 2grams perhaps? I still think a non breakthrough dose of dmt will still be significantly stronger than a hit of lsd (intensity and onset wise). And you don't want to dive in to psychedelics..you'll end up not learning anything and scaring yourself.

Alright. It makes sense to do some LSD before DMT. My only concern was doing something stupid while tripping (As I understand, LSD changes how you think and can cause you to do something stupid. But that may be just media tactics to get people off LSD). The reason I wouldn't want to do shrooms first is because I've heard the trips are "rougher", and it has a higher chance of having a bad trip.

I'll look into some LSD more, see what I can find out before doing it.

You stated a small hit of lsd..which I guess would be one hit. I highly doubt you would do anything stupid. And you said you'd have a sitter also. Just trip at home with your sitter and you'll be fine. Could you provide a link on where you read of someone being stupid on one hit of lsd? I suggest reading these forums and here for more truthful incite: bluelight.ru, mycotopia, shroomery, and of course erowid. Also we don't condone purchasing dmt here. So whenever you're ready to experience dmt check out the awesome teks here. My first extraction is tommoro and I'm stoked. Back to the point.. As for shrooms they're different for everyone. I can honestly say that from my experiences, shroom trips are a bit more cloudy on the mind (mindfuck). But a shroom trip is about 4-6 hours as opposed to 8-12 of lsd. And all psychedelics change how you think. So there is no way around that. Embrace it.

Ye God's don't go right in for DMT if you never tripped before
In my view even LSD may be a shock for you if you have never had a Psy trip before, my advice would to go in easy at the start look for LSA or a few mushrooms.

Good luck

Actually, I meant less than a hit of LSD, maybe half of one. I'd still need to search more to find out how that would change the trip. After I do maybe 2 half hits (At different times) I'd move on to a full hit.

Sorry, I forget where I read it. I might have heard it from a friend.

I haven't heard about bluelight, or mycotopia, I'll check them out.

I do prefer the shortness of shrooms vs the 8-12 hours of LSD, I don't want to be tripping for TOO long.

Thanks for the reply, I'll be sure to start searching around.

Again, I wouldn't break through with DMT, at MOST 5mg (according to erowid's DMT vault, that shouldn't be enough for me to break through).

Just from looking at erowid's LSA vault, I don't think LSA would be a very good first-trip for me, because of its duration (up to 10 hour total, and 7 hour peak).

I'll look into some shrooms, though.

I see no problem with starting out with dmt.

small doses vaporized are very euphoric and smooth. The onset can be a bit unsettling with higher doses and the weirdness you feel while the effects last can be shocking as well, but if you are going to take psychedelics, they are all going to make you feel very strange.

My general advice to start out with all psychedelics is always first try a very small amount to see how your body reacts - no alergic reactions? good. No overwhelming nausea? good. Also before that do your research well. This is to make sure you know what dose is adequate and safe. Later this knowledge can ease your mind while you are on it. If you start feeling bad, sick, scared, etc. at least you will be certain that it is not a physiological problem.

Once you pass this stage dive in with whatever dose you feel comfortable. I started out with medium doses of LSD and very high mushroom doses. I was overwhelmed by the experiences and absolutely loved it. I never could enjoy the very low doses. Too low a dose can give a very wrong impression about the effects of psychedelics and can be rather disturbing.

So when you take that very first test dose, don't expect more than a slight shift.

As for doing stupid things on LSD, it's not the most likely thing to happen, if you don't already do lots of stupid things without it. Also you will have a sitter with you, so talk to this person before hand and tell them in what kind of stuff you don't want to be doing, so they can help you not do them. On high doses of mushrooms for example I felt so free from material pressure I began throwing away things I later regretted. Some really nice gloves I had were lost in the snow forever... I simply thought - it's just an object, I don't need this anymore... lol

As for being conscious vs unconscious during a trip - you are conscious during your trips, even on high doses. It does happen sometimes that you black out a high dose DMT trip, but in that case you don't really gain as much from the experience, since basically you forgot everything that happened. I guess you could say that during the short duration of the dmt experience you will most likely be sitting still, while with lsd it's much more likely that you will be moving around and doing things. but in order to get anything from the experiences you should be and want to be conscious.

I do not think there is any right or wrong way to get into psychdelics - it's all a matter of how you are as a person. Do you want to crash headlong into the experience or learn tripping in babysteps?

You can smoke DMT as a total novice - but then be in for a traumatic experience because what you are going to get cannot be compared to any other kind of experience you've already had. We are not talking about liquid wallpaper like in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - we are talking about a spiritual transportation into another universe where there are totally different physical laws.

I started out with LSA extractions. I think it's a good hallucinogen if you just want a sneak peak on what things -can- be like. After that I did two dissociative hallucinogens: Salvia (3x tries) and DXM (3x tries) - both which are very, very different from LSA. After that I did shrooms (4x tries) and now I'm experimenting with DMT (2x tries). I still consider myself a novice psychonaut though.

The thing about hallucinogens is that they are so COMPLETELY different from one another. It's not like with, for example: depressants (alcohol vs GHB, or fentanyl vs morphine) or bensodiazepines (xanax vs valium) where the effects are very, very similiar. Hallucinogens are far more diverse than any other category of drugs.

So yeah in the end it's up to you and how you want to explore this field. At an amusement park, do you head straight to the most scary rollercoaster or do you take time to try out the other rides first?

I'd say LSD, because like the first poster said, rushing into psychedelics usually cuts the learning process short or makes it less likely to facilitate healing (in the experience of many I've known and read of online). Doing LSD or mushrooms (or another tryptamine) before DMT will give you an idea of how you respond to psychedelics, give you the opportunity to learn from the experience and help you to wade into the mindset rather than just dive headfirst haphazardly into deep waters. :]

Also, most people don't do stupid things on a small dose of L. I mean there are some exceptions, but not generally. Plus, if you were to do something off on a hit of L, chances are DMT would be detrimental too, laying down or not.

This is a very common question, and you will find a ton of different opinions if you search around. I'd say DMT first, then a small dose of mushrooms, then a higher dose of DMT, then a small dose of ayahuasca.

DMT is fast acting, short, intense, colorful and not so dependent on set and setting. This is perfect in my mind for someone starting with psychedelics. But it does not give you everything you need to know.

Mushrooms are more tricky and psychologically tasking in my experience, but a small dose is imho very handable and especially nice in nature on a warm day. Make a tea with lemon juice, soak for 15 minutes, strain and drink...have good music ready and explore your relation to nature and this world. Mushrooms have always felt very earthy to me.

Then, Ayahuasca feels VERY serious but also incredibly loving...it integrates your body into the sacred dimension and is truly a divine bridge, faciliatator of alternate realities and more. But at the same time unpredictable, nauseous etc.

LSD was always VERY set and setting dependent in my experience, also uncomfortably stimulating at times. Many people praise LSD for being so easy on inexperienced trippers. I don't know, i'm sceptical. Shows how strongly these substances depend on the host...
LSD felt rather ..well "rational" and minimalistic to me...DMT , Ayahuasca and mushrooms are arguably far more mystical even in low doses.

A LSD low dose ....i'd advice against it. It just made me feel very weird, dizzy and "spun out". More experienced people told me that this is typical and that you have to jump right in with LSD.

In conclusion, i'd say you can't go wrong (well you can but...) with a small to medium DMT dose or 1-1.5g of mushrooms of normal potency in a good setting.

Thanks for asking here, instead of doing something stupid like many people do.

Moreover, Enoon knows her stuff and gives good advice.

I wonder what you mean by this. Not conscious? What would be the point of taking it if you are not conscious of it?


I disagree, first of all LSD lasts a much longer time, so if things for some reason would go south, you are in for ~ 12 hours of just that. And doses are everything, I don't see how 10 mg of DMT can really be described as intense. As far as I am concerned, DMT is one of, if not THE friendliest and most forgiving substance I have taken. DMT was my first psychedelic and I feel in love at first sight.

So my two cents between the two would be a low dose smoked DMT. Whatever you decide I wish you an awesome time.

You have to take into account, that people on here are probably a bit biased, leaning towards DMT. And 10mg DMT can be plenty intense for someone who has never taken a psychedelic. The rush of a low dose is a bit comparable to nitrous but not numbing just so you can gauge the bodyload a bit.



What a good dose of DMT does is that it washes you away, you can't do anything to stop it, you have no choice. You fall into a deep trance and odd things WILL happen. This can indeed be an advantage, but it also takes more courage to really smoke a hit big enough to produce full immersion...

Otherwise, i agree with Miksiton....having a uncomfortable experience on LSD is not so nice.,..as it goes on and on and on... it's problematic to be in a bad state to know that you've got 7 hours and 34 minutes left....

If things go south on half a hit of lsd with a sitter, then idk if he/she has any business being around psychedlics. Just my 2 cents

That's a pretty weird statement to make, end of flesh. I've had vey anxiety ridden experiences on low dose LSD, even with Cannabis but tend to do "fine" on mushrooms, dmt, ayahuasca. Certain substances simply do not agree with some people. I see that you favour LSD, there is nothing wrong with that, but not everyone reacts the same towards it.

I guess that's understandable. Never really considered the fact that it may react differently with others. I'm a clutz for not realizing that. Haha

This thread from about a month ago focuses on the same question you have OP, except it's probably a bit more on the DMT enthusiasm side.

I would suggest low doses on easily available psychedelics e.g.

LSA :
1-2 hawaiian baby woodrose seeds (extracted with water to reduce nausea) OR
4-5 Rivea corymbosa seeds

Salvia :
maybe a bowlful of plain leaves


Reasoning behind the suggestion :

From my personal experience, individuals with no prior familiarity on a psychedelic experience, cannot adequately grasp what may "happen" during a trip. Some believe that it will be like a show where they will observe things happening like in a IMAX film. It will be wise to familiarise yourself with all the effects (and side effects) that a psychoactive substance can induce, from bodily sensations to dramatic alterations of your perceptions (from visual and auditory, temperature, to tactile and proprioception).

In order to avoid unpleasant or heavily unexpected sensations, it may be good to experiences mild alterations to hopefully aid your understanding. E.g. with a low LSA dosage, you may feel vasoconstrictive effects, an "electric" buzz in your brain, etc. which could prove to be a valuable introduction to mind altering substances. You may even feel a slight nausea (slight, because of the dosage), which usually is an integral part of a psychedelic experience.

Just my two cents, take with a pinch of salt. Happy experimenting!

Its a lot to think about... if only for the notion that if your first is horrific, it may scare you off from seeing how wonderful it can be.

I have a special place in my heart for my first psychedelic experience, it was just such a game changer... I wish I could relive the veil opening for the first time again. Come to think of it, I look back more fondly on my first psychedelic than I do my first sexual experiences (maybe because the psychs went better ).

I agree w/ many posters above that you can really use any substance to dive in with. My vote would be for lower dose mushrooms, though not too low. The benefit of mushrooms for a novice is, imho, that it allows for a 4-5hr experience (may be easier than 10-12 for lsd) where you can navigate the realms a little easier. I don't think DMT would be a terrible idea for a first psych, but I am sure that my appreciation for the short and powerful DMT experience was built upon a steady foundation of longer acting psychs.

Good luck and welcome to the worlds.... for what its worth, my vote is:

2-2.5 grams cubensis in a natural setting in mid afternoon, with either a sitter or an experienced companion. Mushrooms + nature + sunset = I WILL TAKE PSYCHS FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. At least for me.