Choline-containing foods:

+ possibly better absorption
- limited amount of choline
- possible digestive discomfort when taken before sleep

Choline supplements:

+ lots of choline
+ no digestive discomfort
- more expensive than food sources

You be the judge.

tricky, tricky dreams
i think going to sleep hungry might help me tonight, as far as an involuntary OBE...

the bud is tricky IME, as sometimes my dreams are very vivid and sometimes they never happen...

Affirmation! now thats something i need to remember to keep doing

Sounds like ill be trying some choline soon then

Hmmm, I'm curious, why is going lucid so frightening for you? And for that matter, the psychic premonitions? I would think these would be "positive" experiences. In my experience they are extremely beneficial.

^Agreed

I used to drink a lot of mugwort..and it works for making dreams more vivid and stuff, and so does calea but they never made me go lucid more often..

I dont know what fasting can do for you either for going lucid or astral..that would likely prevent me from it as fasting is uncomfortable. I have to be relaxed and comfortable to do it.

Just practice WILD techniques at like 5 or 6am every day if you can. That is the best advice I can give you..even if you use other herbs you would likely benifit a lot from just practicing WILDing in the early morning in bed.

SpartenII wrote: Hmmm, I'm curious, why is going lucid so frightening for you? And for that matter, the psychic premonitions? I would think these would be "positive" experiences. In my experience they are extremely beneficial.


Once for instance I had a lucid dream about my sister in law expecting a second child, flash forward in the dream and my niece is older with no younger sister. I reach into the fridge for a beer and what I grab is handfuls of body parts, intestines and organs that poor out onto the floor.

I woke up, I knew then she was pregnant and that something was going to go wrong. There was no questioning it. I knew then that she was pregnant but that the baby would never be born. It was quite scary. I tried to reach her to no avail. A couple months pass and she calls me. Says she has to tell me something, she was pregnant and had an abortion.

Now this foresight was not at all beneficial, what is the use of seeing yet being unable to change it?

Now that being said, it is my waking sight that is truly beneficial. The spirit that guides me. When I need to remember something from a dream it comes to me like deja vue.

When I don't smoke weed it takes intense training of my phyche not to be completely lucid almost the entire night. It's very draining to be this way. However, when I need to be lucid it will still happen, weed or no weed, whether I attempt to stop it or not, yet those accounts are far more personal.

Also consider the difference between seeking to be lucid then from being lucid every time you sleep naturally. As a young person it was incredibly difficult. Then one day realizing that it doesn't happen to other people, I felt alone, it was terrifying.

As I grew up though I dealt with it. After heavy LSD use at an early age it became incredibly intense. It was just a road I had to go down and eventually deal with the fear. I could speak peoples sentences out loud for them because I knew their thoughts. I went through a phase of being a hermit to avoid the commotion of it all. Some people might say it was HPPD and I've used that term as well but to me it is very very real. I just had to cope.

I expect people to disbelieve it, i certainly would not just trust anyone who tells me they see the future or read minds.

I have felt other people in my thoughts as well.

We are all one eternally. My mind is not my own but a portion of that consciousness that is bestowed to us all. This is what I've seen. We are all afraid of losing our individuality after this life not knowing the beauty of oneness while we are stuck in this dream of separation.

The real dream is that which we call reality, and maybe that dream scares us the most.

Yeah, I don't know about fasting for lucid dreaming, but there are other pathways to astral travel from my angle of understanding. I wouldn't really recommend it for accessing it through sleep though, as it is really difficult for me to sleep when I'm hungry. Part of learning to fast is learning how not to feel uncomfortable with it. This comes with practice just like most such things.

My friend who had these experiences that I might describe as "astral travel" fasts for extended periods of time (20+ days).

I think too that there are so many (perhaps infinite) different types of non ordinary reality experiences that it's hard to label them under categories like "astral travel", but maybe I just don't understand enough about it to make the distinction.

Damn, that would be draining. But if you are aware that you are dreaming, within the dream, can you not control it, shifting away from fearful content? For example, if I am having a scary dream and am aware that I'm dreaming, I can usually use the "spinning technique" and close my dream eyes, spinning in circles while focusing on a new dream environment and when I open them I am there.

As far as psychic awareness within a dream, I can understand the frustration of not being able to change it in your waking reality. Maybe you could harness this ability though lucid dreaming and gain better control? There are many levels in Dreaming and perhaps all it takes is practice gaining control over your attention via mindfulness/meditation both during your waking life and your dreaming?

Also consider that the marijuana may actually be affecting your dreams more than you might think. I know from experience that even though it might suppress REM sleep and/or memory, my brain sometimes tends to go into "REM rebound" as the weed leaves my system, making my dreams more intense.

Just some things to consider...

I wish you peaceful dreaming, both in waking life and in dreams. Take care, friend.

but the fasting should be able to help to purge toxins and stuff like, then i think id rather practice AT after all that....definitely need to start eating healthier especially less coffee/redbull ......woke up early this morning, earlier then my alarm, decided not to do WILD, didnt think i was asleep enough and its hard when theres someone next to you sharing your space....

Calea is one of those herbs that works best if you take it over a few days (effect is cumulative). I usually would smoke some maybe an hour before going to bed. You can drink the tea too, but it's REALLY bitter.

what about the "dream seed"? ive heard smokin that helps, but how much would one smoke?

Dream seed, do you mean Voacanga africana? I've never experimented with that one.

Also I forgot to mention before, drinking a tea of blue lotus before bed enhances my dreams a lot, and it can be a nice aid to meditations too.

A few days into my Calea trials and I can report that it works well for dream enhancement. I've had a couple of dreams on it now that are very DMT like in nature, actually better in visual zaniness if you can believe it. I take it in pill form a few hours into sleep.