Hello folks.

I'm experienced intense sleep disorders and it have become a serious issue in my life.

I've try a shitload of meds but no-one is really working, so i'm now searching something more natural that may help.

I've read that harmalas ( syrian rue in this case ) could help me with my insomnia. I've never tried it before, and wanted to know if a dosage of 3g will be ok for a first attemp to help me sleep.

Also how many time after taking alprazolam is it ok to take rue ? I'm also taking milelpertuis (Hypericum), is there any problem with this combination ?


A last question , do you think of other plant who can help me with this ?
I've just come across kratom, blue lotus and calea.

Have you tried:

- Stopping/reducing caffeine and sugars?

- Adjusting your sleep schedule to wake up earlier?

- plain old aerobic exercise during the day?

- Decreasing exposer to light before bedtime to balance natural melatonin levels?

- Relaxation techniques such as visualization, meditation, yoga, etc.?

- Natural sleep inducers such as magnesium supplements, l-tryptophan, 5-htp, melatonin, valerian, Kava, Chamomile, GABA, Skullcap, etc.?

I don't know too much about blue lotus and calea, but as an opiate-lover, I've had a lot of experience with Kratom, which in my opinion is not so good for sleep as it can be stimulating during the first several hours. After that, you tend to spend quite a long time in the hypnogogic (in-between-sleep state), before hitting the later deep-sleep stages, so I wouldn't recommend it as a sleep-inducing herb.

Remember, try to address the causes of sleep deprivation, before looking for quick fixes with the symptoms.

Hope this helps!

Thank you for your answer full of healthy advices. I wasn't exptexcting others things than that on this board .

I've allready try 5-htp and melatonin, tryptophan is a good mood lifter but does not help me sleep. Melatonin was working for a while, but then the problem came back.
I even have tried to use ghb as a gabba agonist but the result was awfull, after 2 day trying i had a big ass mental breakdown and decided not to tuch this shit ever again.

I'm praticing maditation, and it help me not to freak out when i'm chasing the sleep but not to fall in it.

I have reducing my soda consomation, and i don't eat sugar much, i'm more into salty food really, and i don't eat to much meat.

It's not that i can't sleep at all really, it's just that i really cannot adjust my pattern of sleep, sometimes i sleep a 9pm, and the day after a 6am.


What i'm searching now is something to put me in sleep at a regular hours, for then don't use any kind of product.


I'm triyng to stop being addicted since a few month, i've almost stop all of my addiction exept for ketamine, i've seen a doctor who prescribe me alprazolam to help me with the craving but it's not working for sleep unless i take 4-5 of them and i don't like that.

I really need some sleep rigth now, i know that i'm not gonna find the perfect molecule who gonna fix all this sleep disorder, but if a plant can help me better than all the chemicals i've try to sleep (every fucking zolam/zepam) i will appreciate that.


(sorry for the poor english, i know most don't mind but well, i do )

My advise is simple.

Drop the supplements and start exercising.

Anyone suffering from insomnia should exercise to completely exhaustion. This mean 60 minutes or more of hard cardio. Go until you feel the endorphin rush. Well past the this is easy point. You should have an entire body sweat.

You need to FORCE your body to rebalance it's NORMAL neurochemistry and exercise is a GREAT way to do this. Supplements, herbs and other drugs only serve to keep neurochemistry relatively unbalanced.

Yes you can supplement your way to sleep for quite a while, but eventually you will have to pay the piper.
My thoughts are almost exactly the same when it comes to the VAST majority of depression out there.

Anytime I start to feel really off I lose ALL drugs including alcohol. and caffeine. Within a few day's I start to feel normal again and then my sleep regulates and I start to feel even better.

I just want to stress this one more time: EXERCISE and NOT DRUGS.

Peace

So you've reduced your intake of soda....reduced? reduced!

Drink something else.

Both joedirt and spartan gave you good answers.

Thank you all for remind me not to take the easy way but the good one.

But even knowing that i will give it a try at least once, for the sake of science haha.


Just kiddin'


Also because i want to meet the rue, who's seems to be an interessting psychédelick.

You're kinda looking in the wrong direction. Harmala alkaloids are very strong wakefulness promoters, I'd say even more so than caffeine and amphetamine to an extent. I regularly stay up an ungodly amount of hours on them.


If you dosed in the morning it should give more restful sleep at night though and more lucid dreams. But dosing at night will add a mountain to your insomnia, I'll tell you that.


Definitely a +1 on the exercise until you are well and truly spent. Insomnia is only there when you have excess energy or drugs/neurotransmitters that fool your body into thinking it has energy to spend.


To correct your sleep rhythm is much easier than making an insomniac sleep at all. All you need is melatonin or L-tryptophan.

Dose the melatonin 1-1.5hrs before you intend to be fully asleep. Lie still in PERFECT DARKNESS AND SILENCE for the entire 1-1.5 hours directly after you dose, preferably for longer, dosing in the dark is best.

The darkness is the most crucial aspect of it and almost definitely why you have this problem in the first place. Switch off your computer or at the very least, put duct tape over all the lights which tend to be blue.

The brain interprets blue light as a signal to say "WAKE UP FOO'" while darkness is the "GO TO SLEEP BRO" signal. Melatonin is literally a word that says "please go to sleep" in the brain, if that makes sense.


The darker your room, the faster you will sleep and the more restful it will be. Calibrate your eyes to the sunrise and sunset - try and watch both sunrise and sunset every single day. Don't be surprised to find you might have to go to bed between 9 and 12pm most nights. This is actually the correct optimal time for the body if you sleep ~7.5hrs.

If you're awake past 12, SHUT OFF EVERYTHING. No, it is NOT important. Even if it is the final exam of your life, you're still going to perform better at that with a full night's sleep, any information you thought you might learn as a sleep deprived zombie is absolutely useless, and I mean useless. The kids who cram are the ones who slip, meanwhile the kids who get a full nights sleep are the ones saying "I can't believe I got an A, I hardly worked at all".

just before you feel like sleeping , just an hour before that go for a run , run for the whole hour , i assure you the very first time you might not be able to run for more than 5 minutes , however with time you'll get it

if you want to go to sleep as soon as you wake up , you can also go for a run , run an hour or two , or maybe 5 minutes if that is what you can

this method does not rely on supplements , it does not matter whether its day or night , it really does'nt matter whether you've just woken up

all you have to do is run till you sleep , well there are even champions of this method who never make it to their bed , they just fall down

the first time i tried this method , i almost crapped in my pants after running for 5 minutes , continue at your own risk

run fast don't jog
run forest run

edit: the point i am trying to make with my nonsensical post is ...physical excercise is simply great .... also i would recommend excercise in the morning as this will help you immensly throught the day and later in the evening .....sleep will be easy .......also before sleeping its a good idea not to smoke

Ok so it have stimulant like effect after all, i was thinking it was more sedative like.


I'm not into sport, i have spend too much time taking drugs, but i'm now in my way to a better way of life, i'm climbing once a week and lifting weigth with my roomate.

Let be patient and wait for my body to clean up.

Microdose might be more sedative actually.

I know that the higher the dose, the more stimulating but then I also notice I get to sleep much easier on low doses than on none at all.

Please do not take any harmalas or other MAOI's if you're taking any kind of anti-depressants.

Also, about these plants, Blue Lotus should work for helping you drowsy, don't know much about Kratom, and for Calea, I wouldn't suggest it if you have insomnia... I read somewhere that the way Calea works is by disrupting REM activation earlier in the night to get a "rebound" effect later in the night... if you have insomnia, you want to be getting as much REM as possible.

Some other plants I would suggest would be valerian (be careful with this one, it's very potent), scullcap, lavender, passionflower... If you make a tea with equal parts valerian, scullcap, lavender, passionflower, and blue lotus, you'll make what I like to call "knock out tea"