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washing basic solution from rb and simmering in acid? Options
 
timeisfree
#1 Posted : 1/9/2013 5:33:53 PM
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i hydrated my root bark by pouring boiling vinegar/water into it, and covering. There was very little water at the bottom of the bowl. I then mixed a 3/4 ratio of gardening lime (whoops) and rootbark. Then i added a 3/4 ratio pickling lime/ rootbark. I was thinking about washing as much base out of the bark as possible, and doing a naptha pull on the basic solution, then simmering the root bark in a ph 4 solution for hours. Basify the new solution and go for more pulls. I'm not positive whether the current basic solution is just not strong enough, or if the spice is still mostly all a salt that is unable to be pulled because its stuck in the bark. I plan to freeze and thaw the bark before simmering in the acid.
 

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#2 Posted : 1/9/2013 5:43:33 PM

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timeisfree wrote:
i hydrated my root bark by pouring boiling vinegar/water into it, and covering. There was very little water at the bottom of the bowl. I then mixed a 3/4 ratio of gardening lime (whoops) and rootbark. Then i added a 3/4 ratio pickling lime/ rootbark. I was thinking about washing as much base out of the bark as possible, and doing a naptha pull on the basic solution, then simmering the root bark in a ph 4 solution for hours. Basify the new solution and go for more pulls. I'm not positive whether the current basic solution is just not strong enough, or if the spice is still mostly all a salt that is unable to be pulled because its stuck in the bark. I plan to freeze and thaw the bark before simmering in the acid.

Collecting the basic solution out of the pickling lime/root bark paste, then soaking the rest in acidic solution? I do not think you got much clue about what you're doing here.

Pick a proven tek and follow it TO THE LETTER, do not fool around with it as you describe.




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timeisfree
#3 Posted : 1/9/2013 6:19:11 PM
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I've already screwed up the basic tek i was trying to follow. Q21Q21. I don't want to waste my bark. Currently i have 500g acrb, which was hydrated with vinegar water, then mixed with 400 grams of gardening lime, then 400 g pickling lime. my question is, if i wash the root bark a few times with water (to bring it closer to neutral) then add acid until it is at ph4, and simmer, could this help bring the alkaloids into solution? Or would I be better off adding some lye to the rootbark, and trying more pulls? I've done several a/b extractions quite successfully, and understand how they work. Just made a mistake and used the lime my buddy brought me without confirming that it was the correct lime. waste not want not and all
 
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#4 Posted : 1/9/2013 7:15:38 PM

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The extra 400g of gardening lime along with the 400g of pickling lime you added will not affect the q21 tek.

Proceed according to the tek. Washing the bark a few times will not do anything as it's hard to wash away nor neutralise a total of 800g of water-insoluble bases). Definitely do not attempt to try to make it acidic and boil it.


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