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thirdeyeopen86
#1 Posted : 12/20/2012 10:17:49 PM

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Hello everyone! This is SWIMs second attempt at Vovin's TEK. The first time it having made mistakes along the way, but it was over all a fun learning process. SWIM thought he should share how the second time went. One thing that SWIM seems to not see in many extraction TEKs is the temperature at which the naphtha should be warmed to and how cold the freeze precipitation was. SWIM got himself a laser thermometer from Harbor Freight for about $38. SWIM recorded the temp. along the way for each pull with naphtha. SWIM isn't saying these are the temperatures you need to use, just that these are the temp. that SWIM had success with on this extraction. SWIM however didn't have the laser thermometer for measuring the acid baths when he did them. SWIM will have to do that on his next extraction a report back to you guys. So here we go...

DAY 1

- Simmering 1200mL of distilled water to be added to 100g of pre-powdered Mimosa root bark.

- Add a very small drop of hydrochloric acid to simmering distilled water, to bring pH to about 4.

- Added the just enough acidified water to the root bark to cover it in a flask. Let it sit in a warm bath for 45mins, occasionally stirred.

- Then filtered with a Buchner Filter Flask

- Placed first bath in a separate flask and put the root bark in another for the next bath.

- Did the above x3 times.

- The final resulting three liquids now in one flask is placed over night for decanting in the fridge.

DAY 2

- Liquid has separated into the two distinct layers. Very fine sediments at the bottom with the acidified liquid on top.

- Filtered the liquid with the Buchner Filter Flask again very carefully to not disturb the fine sediment. Then placed liquid in fridge again for a night.

DAY 3

-There was still some even finer sediment left so one more filtration.

- Filtered the liquid with the Buchner Filter Flask again very carefully to not disturb the fine sediment.

DEFAT x3

- Now the acidified extract is about 550mL.

- Began warming Klean Strip VM&P naphtha to be added to acidified liquid for defatting.

- Naphtha was approx. 120 degrees F.

- Placed the acidified liquid in a separatory funnel. Then added the warmed naphtha to it.

- Turned the funnel end over end for 5 mins. Venting ever so often by turning upside down and opening the release valve.

- Place a small piece of plastic wrap over the top of the funnel with hole for venting while sitting. Then placed funnel on a stand and the stand in to a trash can form hardware store filled with hot water at Approx. 120-130 degrees F to help separate the naphtha and acidified liquid into two layer. This also helps dissipate the bubbles from the agitation. Let sit until there was a distinct separation. Approx 1hr the first time, 25 mins second time, and 15 mins the third time. Maintained water temp by removing some of the water and adding new hot water.




NOTE: The reason for the change in times was that SWIM agitated the it too much the first time. Was more careful the next time. The naphtha has to come in contact with all the acidified liquid but doesn't need to be aggressively shaken.

BASIFIYING

- Cleaned seperatory funnel out and placed defatted extract back into the funnel on stand.

- Warmed 300mL of distilled water to 100-120 degrees F and brought the pH to 12.5 with Lye crystals.

- Added small amounts of lye and water solution to the defatted extract until pH was 12.32 and the liquid was a black tar like color.

EXTRACTION x3

- Warmed naphtha in a hot bath to approx. 140-150 degrees F.

- Added naphtha to basified extract and turned end over end until SWIM felt the naphtha had came in contact with all the basified extract. Venting often.

- Then let sit in trash can hot bath at 135-140 degrees F. until a distinct separation of naphtha and extract was seen.

- Then using a glass pipette pulled off the naphtha at the top and placed in a flask.

- Repeated two more times the final pull with only 50mL of warm naphtha.

WASHING

- Took the naphtha and placed it into a clean seperatory funnel. Approx. 350mL of naphtha.

- Took 50mL of distilled water and added a pinch of sodium carbonate.

- Then added 25mL of the sodium carbonate water to the naphtha and shook the hell out of it.

- The separation was immediate and funneled off the water which was at the bottom.

- Did this again two more times but with 25mL of only distilled water.

FREEZE PRECIPITATION

- Placed the DMT containing naphtha into the freezer in a Pyrex casserole dish with cover on at -8 degrees F for a night.

- Next day success! Going to leave it for another whole day then going to pour off the naphtha into a separate glass an place back in the freezer. Then took dish with DMT and turned upside down on another bigger dish to allow the remaining naphtha to run off. Place in freezer at -8 degrees F.

- After a couple of hours tried to scrape up some of the DMT, but was still wet with naphtha. Decided to let evaporate off remaining naphtha by placing coffee filters taped together over the dish and place in a cool dark room.







SIDE NOTE:

Decided to try one more extraction on the basified liquid before SWIM discarded it. Placed these three pulls in another dish and covered it. Then put in a bowl of ice and into -8 degrees F. Within hours big crystals forming. Thinks ice may have helped speed up freeze precipitation. Going to allow to sit for a couple of days.

So there you have it folks! SWIM is going to recrystallize the DMT with lab grade Heptane and then again with lab grade Hexane as soon as SWIM gets them. Which should be around Jan. 7th. It will be SWIM's first time doing a recrystallization. So excited!


 

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thirdeyeopen86
#2 Posted : 12/21/2012 5:43:17 PM

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So SWIM collected his spice and weighted it out to 301mg! He has another dish with just about the same amount freezing out(eyeballing it mind you). SWIM thinks he is looking a .5% yield from 100g of MHRB. That's a personal best for SWIM! Will post picks later tonight of the spice before recrystallization.
 
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#3 Posted : 12/21/2012 6:04:06 PM

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Congratulations!

But...honestly the yield seems a little low.

Did you hang onto the Naptha?

Did you do a pre-freeze evaporation to bring the volume of Naptha down?

From what I understand, by doing a pre-freeze Naptha evaporation, you increase the concentration of DMT in solution. Then when it's in the freezer, more of it crashes out into crystal form.

If you saved the Naptha maybe give it a shot and see if any more crashes out.


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thirdeyeopen86
#4 Posted : 12/21/2012 11:55:53 PM

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wearepeople wrote:
Congratulations!

But...honestly the yield seems a little low.

Did you hang onto the Naptha?

Did you do a pre-freeze evaporation to bring the volume of Naptha down?

From what I understand, by doing a pre-freeze Naptha evaporation, you increase the concentration of DMT in solution. Then when it's in the freezer, more of it crashes out into crystal form.

If you saved the Naptha maybe give it a shot and see if any more crashes out.


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Thanks you! No I've never heard of that before, but yes I do still have it. So what you are saying is to set it out to evaporate, for about how long?
 
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#5 Posted : 12/22/2012 2:04:43 AM

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TheThe time it takes really depends on the conditions.

With about 350 mL, I'd evaporate it down to about 150 or 175 mL.

Putting it under a fan really speeds it up.

But be careful! The fumes of Naptha are highly flammable:

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NEVER evaporate or warm up a flammable solvent next to a fire source or equipment that might generate sparks. For warming up solvents, boil some water separately, turn off the fire/heat source and only then add the solvent to a container and submerge the bottom of the container in the recently warmed water. Have the container with the warming-up solvent opened or with a very loose top, otherwise pressure might be generated and it can explode
time it takes really depends on the conditions.

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#6 Posted : 12/22/2012 6:29:52 PM

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Have you discarded the base mhrb soup? It sounds like you did, but if you didn't .. there has been some great success in pulling out more D even from "exhausted" soup by adding salt (ice cream salt is great, but table salt works too) this will push the dmt into the solvent for greater yields. The salt is normally added when basifying the soup. See Cyb's hybrid A/B tek*
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#7 Posted : 12/23/2012 12:02:06 AM

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wearepeople wrote:
TheThe time it takes really depends on the conditions.

With about 350 mL, I'd evaporate it down to about 150 or 175 mL.

Putting it under a fan really speeds it up.

But be careful! The fumes of Naptha are highly flammable:

Health and Safety Extraction Guidlines


Quote:
NEVER evaporate or warm up a flammable solvent next to a fire source or equipment that might generate sparks. For warming up solvents, boil some water separately, turn off the fire/heat source and only then add the solvent to a container and submerge the bottom of the container in the recently warmed water. Have the container with the warming-up solvent opened or with a very loose top, otherwise pressure might be generated and it can explode
time it takes really depends on the conditions.



Ok cool thank you for your help! I'll try that this next time I give it a go!


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Have you discarded the base mhrb soup? It sounds like you did, but if you didn't .. there has been some great success in pulling out more D even from "exhausted" soup by adding salt (ice cream salt is great, but table salt works too) this will push the dmt into the solvent for greater yields. The salt is normally added when basifying the soup. See Cyb's hybrid A/B tek*


Awesome! I took a look at the TEK and it looks like I can do everything the same as Vovin's TEK except before I basify the solution add salt to it? Does it matter the amount of salt to MHRB ratio? I typically don't use any less than a 100g of MHRB for an extraction. The salting section said to use 30g of salt in 100ml of de-ionised water for 50g of MHRB. Should I use that or double it since I'm using double the MHRB?
 
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#8 Posted : 12/23/2012 12:21:52 AM

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ChemisTryptaMan wrote:
I don't know what the yellow oil is for sure but adding salt will push more plant oils out of the mix too, so that may be what your seeing. I added the salt with the lye in the beginning of a STB tek and saw no differences except the massive increase in yield.


I found this when I was looking more in to adding salt to increase my yields. ChemisTryptaman said he adds it when he is adding the lye. I'm using Vovin's TEK, so should I add the salt after the acid baths before I defat? He says the salt will push more plant oils out of the mix. I'm worried that if I add the salt after the defat, before I basify the solution that it will pull out any remaining plant oils which could end up in the final freeze precipitation. This whole salting thing is new to meBig grin
 
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#9 Posted : 12/23/2012 3:25:34 AM

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As stated above, I use vovins tek as my base.

I'm going to try the salting for the first time as well.



Cyb made an awesome salt-tek-gem:

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...ybrid_ATB_%27Salt%27_Tek



I'll be using a blend of vovins, cybs, and a little of my own magic.
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#10 Posted : 12/23/2012 7:39:52 PM

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Thirdeye,

Yes, add salt when adding lye/lime to mhrb soup. And yeah, double it... you really can't over do it (within reason) so more is better than less. Good luck and happy magical travels!

Also, what are you using for solvent Nap? Nap tends to pull less of the oils and other alks (like nmt) than other solvents like xylene and toulene. Also, a lot of heat during pulls seems to get more oils. Baths for pulls only need to be warm NOT super hot. The colder the pulls the less other stuff it will pull, but you may also get less yield.
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#11 Posted : 12/23/2012 9:14:41 PM

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*oneironaut* wrote:
Thirdeye,

Yes, add salt when adding lye/lime to mhrb soup. And yeah, double it... you really can't over do it (within reason) so more is better than less. Good luck and happy magical travels!

Also, what are you using for solvent Nap? Nap tends to pull less of the oils and other alks (like nmt) than other solvents like xylene and toulene. Also, a lot of heat during pulls seems to get more oils. Baths for pulls only need to be warm NOT super hot. The colder the pulls the less other stuff it will pull, but you may also get less yield.



Thanks oneironaut! I'm using VM&P naphtha for my pulls. I have some n-Heptane ACS Reagent coming in soon that I'm gonna try instead. The temperatures I used didn't seem to pull any fat at all. It was all pretty white and I plan to do a recrystallization with heptane too.
Here is a pic of three more pulls I did before I discarded the MHRB soup.



Also here is a vial of my first three pulls as it is today before recrystallization.


 
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#12 Posted : 12/23/2012 9:22:04 PM

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That doesn't look like it needs a re-x...Smile
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cyb wrote:
That doesn't look like it needs a re-x...Smile
Nicely doneThumbs up

Second that! No need to re-ex those fluffy little hyperbunnies!Drool
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#14 Posted : 12/24/2012 10:49:37 PM

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*oneironaut* wrote:
cyb wrote:
That doesn't look like it needs a re-x...Smile
Nicely doneThumbs up

Second that! No need to re-ex those fluffy little hyperbunnies!Drool


Thanks guys!Big grin Looks like I got a date with hyperspace tonight then!!
 
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thirdeyeopen86 wrote:
*oneironaut* wrote:
cyb wrote:
That doesn't look like it needs a re-x...Smile
Nicely doneThumbs up

Second that! No need to re-ex those fluffy little hyperbunnies!Drool


Thanks guys!Big grin Looks like I got a date with hyperspace tonight then!!


Do let us know how your date went... unless you don't want to kiss and tell Twisted Evil
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#16 Posted : 12/27/2012 5:01:35 AM

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Awesome results!!!

What did you yield?
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