First of all Good afternoon everyone

I just recently found out about the nexus, it immediately caught my attention so i kept reading and reading and learning, this is all new to me so i've got quite some questions and since english isn't my main language and the guide has more than one batch of product with different amounts i got abit lost reading fourthripley's tek(i didn't found any other Phalaris tek).

Thank you fourthripley for this guide

SWIM'd rather do a MHRB or ACRB Lazyman's tek (really simple) extraction but they'r not easy to obtain and Phalaris groes like weed. SWIM hasn't tried the extraction yet he wants to fully understand everything, he doesn't like recklessness when it comes to safety/health.

Before i start to make sence of the tek guide i wanted to ask about Gramine and Hordenine, will SWIM get any % of those in the end product and if so, is it safe to smoke?

So first issue i encountered.
Page 12. The jug is filled with treated juice, the NaOH solution and the Naphta, everything is well mixed and vented for pressure release.

Next picture you got 2 glass jars with a transparent liquid and then you've got a pan with just a tiny bit of yellow product...
I dont get how you go from the filled jug with brown liquid to the jars with transparent liquid and then to the almost empty pan with yellow product :S

after this it get even fuzzier with the zinc reduction and re-extractions but ill get to that later if you guys are willing to help me out so i dont crit you with a wall of text right away...

thanks

Hi Riitz,

gramine and hordenine, plus the high variability of alkaloid contents between different species and strains, are the main hurdles when working with phalaris. As a disclaimer, the only way to know the actual content of gramine/hordenine of any extraction would require proper analysis and separation, for instance with Thin Layer Chromatography, or at least using color reagents. Take some time to check the top sticky threads in the Plant Analysis Subforum.

That said, it has been suggested that gramine and hordenine have low solubility in naphtha solvents, so pulling phalaris extracts with hexane/heptane seems to leave them out. My personal observations agree with this. Also, the PDF you mention talks about smoking alkaloids, not ingesting them orally, which should be avoided unless you can perform a proper analysis. However, I would NOT smoke phalaris extracts without AT LEAST testing them with a couple reagents, unless you know very well the strain you are using.

After the pictures in page 12, the solvent (naphtha) layer is separated by pulling. The oily extract is obtained by evaporating the solvent fraction pulled from the mix in a separate container.

I think it would be good to do some more reading before proceeding

Appreciate very much the quick reply Vodsel.

You'r right, and i don't feel really confident about extracting from phalaris yet, doesn't seem as easy as a Lazyman's tek on MHRB but since i don't quit pursuing my goals i want to learn about other sources too just in case i don't find MH or AC arround here(although i've read some claims that they grow in Portugal and even that ppl come here to get them).

Thanks again m8

Well this post is a little old but if you've given up on phalaris extraction & come back to see this i have a resolution to both of your problems & hopefully any others with the same problem who may see this benefit from this info too.
I had both of the problems you had & after some searching on how to separate gramine & the other nasty alks in phaaris i read thru the phalaris: the way of the future thread. About page 10 or so theres a nice bit of info on the gramine dillema. Apparently gramine & the other mwntioned alkaloid are insoluble or very barely soluble in naphtha. This being said, using the combined idea of juicing & then an a/b using naptha & naoh like fourthripleys tek says leaves you with a pretty clean product with minimal gramine.
now for your confusion with the tek.
The steps are below the pics. So that clear liquid in the jar on page 12 is naphtha. & to get the yellow liquid you just combine the solution of Naoh to the juice & mix well. Then add naphtha & shake making sure to vent like he says. Then separate the top naphtha layer & let it evaporate leaving the yellow liquid. Once thw yellow liquid starts to dry crystals form. Thats the dmt.
The thing with the zinc reduction was just working with the remaining yellow oil after crystallization which wouldnt crystallize. I think he pulled a small amount of dmt from it but it was minimal & mainly i think he did the zinc reduction because he thought thw yellow oil left over was nmt rather than dmt.