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Nathanial.Dread
#1 Posted : 11/25/2012 8:12:04 PM

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Hey all,

I was wondering if it would be possible to get either here, or elsewhere, a pretty good run-down about the state of phalaris spp. extraction teks.

I'm still pretty new to the world of DMT, but I've been looking around and what I find, on the forums, wiki, and general internet seems very inconsistent. Occasionally I run into something where someone claims to have extracted pure white crystal freebase DMT from grass, and then I'll find someone else lamenting how there are no good phalaris teks.

The people who claim to have gotten pure freebase never seem to get around to posting teks, though. All the actual recipes I've come across (not many) all seem to leave you with a sticky brown goo that honestly doesn't look that fun to smoke (or worse: drink).

It seems like MHRB is starting to become something of a problem, so I just feel more comfortable with phalaris.

Are there any good grass teks that produce nice freebase? If so, where does one go about looking.

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#2 Posted : 11/25/2012 8:14:25 PM

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#3 Posted : 11/25/2012 9:31:51 PM
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#4 Posted : 11/25/2012 9:34:33 PM

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FAQ - How can I extract DMT from phalaris
Wiki - Phalaris spp.
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Extraction teks

Different extraction teks used for other DMT containing plant can work theoretically for Phalaris too, but there are 3 main issues with extracting from phalaris:
1- Finding a plant that yields decently 2- Finding a plant with good alkaloid profile 3- Dealing with plant impurities/chlorophyll/fats
For these reasons, one will more likely have good results if one extracts from a grown plant of a known strain such as AQ1, Big Medicine for DMT, and Yugo Red or Turkey Red for 5-MeO-DMT, as well as using the stress/growth tricks to improve alkaloid content as described above
To get rid of gramine, there are still some analytical tests to make sure and find a definite tek for phalaris but the main indication we have at this point is the fact that gramine should not be soluble in solvents such as petroleum ether / hexane / heptane / aliphatic naphtha, and therefore pulling with those solvents and recrystallizing with them should be enough to remove gramine. Also cold/room temp limonene seems to not pull gramine. More info in analysis thread linked further below.
For separating from fats, fumarate precipitation such as FASI on limonene or FASA on xylene could potentially be a way to bypass the need for defats.

BLAB-FASI or FASA seems a possible route.

fourthripley, looking great! What method did you use for your extraction?
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#5 Posted : 11/25/2012 9:45:53 PM
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Basic tek in the pdf followed by slow, covered evaporation.
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#6 Posted : 11/25/2012 9:56:43 PM

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fourthripley wrote:
Basic tek in the pdf followed by slow, covered evaporation.

Thanks very much! Wasn't aware that was your PDF Rolling eyes
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#7 Posted : 11/25/2012 11:18:47 PM

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Fourthripley: thanks, this is exactly what I was looking for, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
I'm not much a chemist, so more experienced hands may scoff at this question, but can the basic tek be trusted to remove gramine from the process? I would hate to end up with the crystals only to find out the hard way that there was something toxic in there.
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..well done! fourthripley Very happy ..you deserve a commendation of some kind..they look profound in their own way..

i'm gonna link this in the big rambling phalaris thread..Smile
 
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#9 Posted : 11/26/2012 12:02:01 AM

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#10 Posted : 6/5/2013 4:41:31 AM
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Sorry to bump this but I feel like it is the most relevant place to discuss it, has this been done with limo and if so what were the end results? I loved the tek you posted fourthripley but I haven't seen much mention of a tek involving limo. The big phalaris thread is pretty messy and I would love to see some clear 'do's and don'ts' of the process.

It is my understanding that limo as well as naptha will not pull the gramine at room temp, would it be possible to just go through the tek fourthripley posted using limo instead of naptha?
 
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#11 Posted : 6/5/2013 8:14:09 AM

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blowjay wrote:
Sorry to bump this but I feel like it is the most relevant place to discuss it, has this been done with limo and if so what were the end results? I loved the tek you posted fourthripley but I haven't seen much mention of a tek involving limo. The big phalaris thread is pretty messy and I would love to see some clear 'do's and don'ts' of the process.

It is my understanding that limo as well as naptha will not pull the gramine at room temp, would it be possible to just go through the tek fourthripley posted using limo instead of naptha?

you would have to salt it out of the limo, but i see no reason why it wouldn't work
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#12 Posted : 6/5/2013 11:06:15 PM

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blowjay wrote:
Sorry to bump this but I feel like it is the most relevant place to discuss it, has this been done with limo and if so what were the end results? I loved the tek you posted fourthripley but I haven't seen much mention of a tek involving limo. The big phalaris thread is pretty messy and I would love to see some clear 'do's and don'ts' of the process.

It is my understanding that limo as well as naptha will not pull the gramine at room temp, would it be possible to just go through the tek fourthripley posted using limo instead of naptha?


You could hypothetically use the Tek given here and substitute Limonene in for naptha and edible lime in for lye.
I've done some research and I see no reason why that shouldn't work. I couldn't find anyone who has attempted it, but I am hopefully going to be undertaking an extraction here pretty quickly, so I will definitely post something on The Nexus when I have.

Parshvik is right, you cannot do a freeze-precip for the DMT, however, you would have to salt it out, and then do a freebase conversion, if you wanted pure DMT freebase.
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#13 Posted : 6/6/2013 12:18:16 AM

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#14 Posted : 6/6/2013 12:52:25 AM
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[quote=dreamer042]You may find this relevant:

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=44863[/quote]

I find that to be very relevant, thank you!

I would love to see a successful pictured phalaris tek using limo + lye but it looks like there will be some waiting for that.
 
 
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