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arctuis
#1 Posted : 11/16/2012 12:53:50 AM

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so swim just orderd 250g of ACRB and is curious to what the fastest but still efficient aproach i could use. iv done a couple STB/MHRB extractions but nothing more. help is appreciated
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#2 Posted : 11/16/2012 1:25:37 AM

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I'd reccomend an A/B tek

I PM'ed you with a rough outline
 
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#3 Posted : 11/16/2012 1:26:01 AM
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SWIM have had great success with ACRB. One thing I'll tell you is that STB will not work. A/B is most definitely the way to go with this material. SWIM used Lextek with some minor modifications such as using a sep funnel instead of HDPE jugs. If you have any specific questions feel free to ask but I would certainly start by reading that tek and if there are any issues or concerns just re-post or PM me and you'll certainly get some answers
 
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#4 Posted : 11/16/2012 1:51:54 AM

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acacian wrote:
I'd reccomend an A/B tek

I PM'ed you with a rough outline




ok so the ethenol or some 100 proof liqure in water to make ph 4-5? will release the fats and dmt but the ph is low enough that naptha wont pull the dmt only fats?. then discard the naphta from the liqure pulls? then basify it by adding the Naoh to 12-14ph then ad naphtha to pull the dmt with no fats? is that correct and do about 3 pulls per acid/base about an hour per pull for max potential?
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#5 Posted : 11/16/2012 3:42:51 AM

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You will need to defat-a lot. Not nearly as much an issue as with mhrb.
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#6 Posted : 11/17/2012 12:27:08 AM

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arctuis wrote:
acacian wrote:
I'd reccomend an A/B tek

I PM'ed you with a rough outline




ok so the ethenol or some 100 proof liqure in water to make ph 4-5? will release the fats and dmt but the ph is low enough that naptha wont pull the dmt only fats?. then discard the naphta from the liqure pulls? then basify it by adding the Naoh to 12-14ph then ad naphtha to pull the dmt with no fats? is that correct and do about 3 pulls per acid/base about an hour per pull for max potential?


No the ethanol does not make the water acidic.. you need something like vinegar, citric/tartaric acid or HCL for that. The ethanol just helps draw the alkaloids out and means you don't need to heat as long. Try a mixture of say ethanol, water and a dash of vinegar at a ratio of 45:45:10. Like I said though, the ethanol isn't absolutely neccesary you can just use an acidic solution of water achieved by a very small amount of vinegar. It does help though

I did only one defatt from my confusa it didn't seem that fatty really... it may differ though
 
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#7 Posted : 11/17/2012 12:41:46 AM

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ok makes sense i figured as much after i asked but i want to be sure i dont throw my spice out thinking its all fats

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#8 Posted : 11/22/2012 3:57:22 PM

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ok so swim has the general idea hes got his ACRB shreded nicely hes planning to do an ab extraction hes made an acidic solution with vinager and has his bark sitting. is it mandatory to strain the watter to add more lets say hes doing about 80gram in quart jar do i need to boil and wash/ combine and then condense or is it ok to let it sit for a while then defat.. ect
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#9 Posted : 11/22/2012 10:46:56 PM

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Hey Arctuis, the ACRB rootbark that I got didn't need washing after the A/B process. The naptha was so cloudy white that the crystals were falling to the bottom of the jar even without freezing. I did the 1st pull when the mixture was still very warm shortly after adding the lye. 4 1/2 cups water & 1 1/2 cups white vinegar & 200 grams ground ACRB. After straining added 8 heaping tablespoons lye, stirred well and did 1st pull 20 minutes later.
It worked out much better than my 1st attempt STB, even though the golden oil was very,very good. It probably wasn't so pure as the white crystals.
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#10 Posted : 11/22/2012 11:35:03 PM
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I am also trying my hand at a ACRB extraction.. thinking of using the marsofold tektek, since i heards stb gives no crystal structure. I am used to buying crystals and enjoy vaping them in a glass pipe.. i absolutely can't get anymore dmt these days, so must make it for self. good to see some in this thread are taking steps in good direction.

i really really don't want goo, because i don't like changa, i like my glass pipe. from what i'm seeing, it is very well -possible to extract a strong smokable white(?) dmt crystal from acrb using acid base extractions? I had ACRB for a long ass time, and finally have free time.. so will be trying in a week.

when the extraction is done, are the crystals stable for a long time? i don't want them melting back into glue after a week or so.

trooth seeker, please do update your process.

 
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#11 Posted : 11/22/2012 11:55:06 PM

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whether you get crystals or not is fairly dependant on the ratio of nmt to dmt in the bark, as nmt doesn't crystalise as well as dmt. i guess you can separate them if your desire to have it crystaline is that strong.. but goo is fine for dosing. i personally dont see all that much point in separating the two
 
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#12 Posted : 11/22/2012 11:59:55 PM

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mike.rizzy wrote:
I am also trying my hand at a ACRB extraction.. thinking of using the marsofold tektek, since i heards stb gives no crystal structure. I am used to buying crystals and enjoy vaping them in a glass pipe.. i absolutely can't get anymore dmt these days, so must make it for self. good to see some in this thread are taking steps in good direction.

i really really don't want goo, because i don't like changa, i like my glass pipe. from what i'm seeing, it is very well -possible to extract a strong smokable white(?) dmt crystal from acrb using acid base extractions? I had ACRB for a long ass time, and finally have free time.. so will be trying in a week.

when the extraction is done, are the crystals stable for a long time? i don't want them melting back into glue after a week or so.

trooth seeker, please do update your process.


Swim just used Marsfold's tek with about 80g of ACRB the yields are nothing like mimosa ime but it is worth it. Didn't end up with the goo like with stb.
 
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#13 Posted : 11/23/2012 12:19:34 AM

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smokey with marsofolds tek theres no defat step. you did an ACRB extract with no defat and still got your crystals?
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#14 Posted : 11/23/2012 12:37:19 AM
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i have enjoyed non crystal substances like jungle spice before... it's just so messy to play with, and the best smoking method is a glass pipe when it comes to this stuff, pipe + magic rocks feels like a blast off with a hyperspacial control stick.

don't get me wrong.. if i have to do the goo, I will likely enjoy it, it's just a lot harder to work with.


smoke' -how much dmt did you get from 80 grams? i may try 100g in a few days, i want about a gram to store away, so may just play with differnt teks till i find my favorite. i have 250grams to play with.
 
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#15 Posted : 11/23/2012 1:45:50 AM

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arctuis-Yes i got crystals. Did no defat. Also I only used a tiny bit of vinegar. enough to get the ph to between 4-5. They crystals did seem a little more waxy than with mhrb.

Mike-I only did one pull(so far) and my scale has no batteries but it looks like about 200-300mg. I can't say for sure.
 
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#16 Posted : 11/23/2012 1:55:58 AM

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i used 2 maybe 3 little caps of vinager ill just try one defat since everyone says confusa isnt that fatty. how many pulls of naptha with about 125g acrb
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#17 Posted : 11/23/2012 2:53:25 AM

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just guessing but probably 2-3 pulls. just keep going til there is no more Smile
 
 
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