hello, swim is brand new to this site, swim has a deep intrest in spice as do lots of you here. For being new swim thought he might greet you with photos of
x-tals swim has just finished growing.
swim used naptha for this re-x and plans on using bestine for the next re-x.
the x-tal on the right( bigger one) weights about 0.1
the method used was stb
does anyone know how swim would grow a more solid crystal?

I apologize if i posted in the wrong area

Beautiful!!

lots of research and time!

yes the only solvent swim used was naphtha and about 20-30 ml per g.
but plans on seeing what will come of hexane(bestine)soon
on that note swim would only re-x 1 gram at a time (but its up to you)


as for the freeze precipitation step, only freeze precipitate if you plan on re-xing again
for the final re-x swim let the nap cool slowly in a hotwater bath and alows a slow evaporation by covering the top and leaving a center hole about the size of a pencil open.
swim uses a small 150ml beaker and long twezers


heres a picture




The color just comes from the re-x , for me anyways, if you remove all the oils and impurities well enough, you should have nice close to white/clear x-tals.


Swim re-xed 2 times ,but it can be done in one ,providing a good seperating of nap from the plant fats and oils.
now swim notices that when a gram of spice is re-xed and cleaned well ,the yeild drops to about 0.25 from 1.0 (+ or - 0.05).
the trade is less quantity for great looking crystals and purity


as for the brown stuff left over, it is active. swim has in the past taken the tan/brown goo and smeared about 0.1 on a rolling paper. best joints ive ever had. sometimes dont even get to finish before the 50's colors take over!!

if you need anymore help i may write my own tek on the whole process from bark to x-tal at some point
or just ask!

Wow those are some great crystals man nice. Thats pretty wild how you got them to grow in solid clumps

thank you!, i have no idea why they formed that way i suspect it has something to do with the slow cooling down part of the process.

ive read your lsa tek and i must say, brilliant!! ive been looking for a way to extract that in such a way. when i have gathered the necessary equipment and stuff i plan on giving it a go!

Digest Yourself, once you have dissolved your spice into the warm solvent and seperated the clear solvent from the brown goo, put that clear dmt saturated solvent in a shotglass or something similar, cover it with foil, and stick it back in the water bath that you were using to heat up your solvent. This will keep the solvent from cooling/evaporating too fast. The solvent will cool down over time as the water in the waterbath cools. Once everything has reached room temperature just take the shotglass out of the water bath, poke a tiny hole in the foil, and stick the covered shot glass in a cabinet somewhere where it will be undisturbed for a couple days. You don't want to touch it over the next day or two as vibration will disturb crystal formation. THis will allow it to crystallize very slowly. after a day or two you can take the foil off and let it evap the rest of the way.

This should help you get larger crystal clusters

yes , just like what momentoftruth said.
now what swim does is use that same 150ml beaker and microwave a cup of water that the beaker fits in tightly to, (dont microwave the beaker and spice/nap) wrap a dish towel around it to keep heat from escaping as quickly. (keep top covered)
usually it takes about 2 hours for the first
x-tal to form
and slow evap at room temp from there.

Those look really nice, good job. The key to large crystals is controlled and very slow lowering of temperature until finally freeze precipitating. I've never had luck with room temperature evaporation techniques.

Here are some I've grown recently. Keep in my mind that I started with yellowish powder and the color was intentional. Mine were not as big as yours but note the different shape. There are so many ways to grow these things.

Total weight 1.3g:

2012-09-12_13-54-31_253 by nmk8743, on Flickr

Close up with knife for reference:

IMG_20120914_002204 by nmk8743, on Flickr

WOW DUDE!!! thats amazing and thoes are beautiful!!!
I thought of getting a hot plate for that.
Is that what you use?
what duration of time do you allow it to cool?
from what teperature do you start cooling from and end at?
thank you very much for the post!

Niiice, I was going to comment saying I've seen gems grown out of dmt before, and there we go someone posting their examples! I've only seen pictures like that maybe once or twice before, I'm also super curious how it's done! You seem the most confident out of anyone in reproducing those results, it's appeared as a miraculous fluke for others I know.

I thought coloration meant impurities. But if you grew some of those starting with yellow spice, that'd mean those impurities don't affect the crystal structure at all?
Could you continue re-growing those as large as you pleased?

Are they more dense/strong and less waxxy than the flat, needle crystals?
Is there a noticeable difference in effect? I would imagine the rocks packing a bigger punch.

Great thread and beautiful crystals!

Loving the info on obtaining different type crystals. I think I've seen a thread before with the rock diamond type crystals like Nmk posted. I'll try to search for it later and post it here.

Nice to know the brown remains can be used to enhance a joint.

- Thanks for the compliment. I've been experimenting with crystal growing for a while now and this is the only method I've found to produce crystals with this structure; but I've been able to reproduce these results four times now. I don't have a hotplate or any other lab-type equipment; materials used were powdered spice, heptane, large cooking pot, a tall thin glass vessel (similar to the one pictured a few posts above), a thermos big enough to fit the glass vessel, a thermometer, cooler and then fridge and freezer.

- I'll post more details later on but for simplicity: I weigh x amount of spice and place it into my collection vessel with x amount of room temperature heptane. I then use a hot water bath around 160-170 degrees F to submerge the heptane/dmt containing vessel repeatedly for small amounts of time while gently swirling to completely dissolve everything in the spice (impurities and all). Once everything is dissolved I fill a thermos with water from the hot water bath and quickly place the glass vessel inside. The thermos is then sealed and placed at an angle into a small cooler filled with the remaining water of the hot bath. Cooler was sealed and left for x amount of time until the water inside had reached room temperature (usually 24-48 hours).

- Now the cooler I used was too big but was all I had so at this point I carefully removed the thermos and placed it into the fridge. Note the thermos is still filled with original water to help keep your vessel from cooling to quickly. Once the water inside the thermos was at fridge temperature I then placed the thermos carefully in the freezer. 6 hours later I removed my vessel, poured off heptane and was left with crystals like this.

- For the crystals pictured above the total time was 3 days start to finish. I can post exact weights/amounts/times etc later on if you'd like. And sorry if anything seems unclear I didn't have much time to type this right now.

-White spice to start with would be ideal, but during the process I tilt the collection vessel so that any impurities present all collect in a bottom corner once they fall out of the heptane.

-I'll get back with the answers to your other questions later today.

really man thanks a bunch!! great info! I could never think of a way to slowly cool the solution across such a large time scale, my cool rate was about 2 hours from 170 degrees f
to room temp

That would be pretty cool. But idt pictures of crystals forming is too likely, at least from me. I don't like disturbing the container during growth any more than needed, and I don't have a camera anywhere near quality enough to get good pics of that. In fact I don't have a camera at all just my phone haha.

Here is the thread I was referring to earlier.

Geometry of DMT crystals and a follow-up thread of sorts, Significance of DMT Crystalline Geometries and Our Experiences?

-I believe if one performed repeated re-x's and slowed temperature decrease even further then the resulting crystals would be bigger and clearer each time. Haven't tried this yet, I've still got lots to learn.

-Yes they are more dense (Bigger ones weigh around 60mg) and are not sticky at all compared to the snowflake type crystals. They are easy to handle and feel almost rocklike; best of all they don't stick to every damn thing they touch haha.

-As far as effect goes, I don't know for Sure if the effects are different from shard type crystals because I haven't ever tried these. I'd say no though; its the same dmt content no matter what form it's in. 50mg of spice crystal should have the same effect as 50mg of the powder it started as.

Cosmo: Are you able to get crystals that large consistently. This is one thing I've had trouble with. I've never had much success with evaporation techniques but would love if I could grow gem type crystals as large as yours. Can you tell me the measurements of your materials i.e. starting weight of spice, mL of solvent etc?

Nvm I see where you posted that info. But if you used 1g surely those arent the only crystals you produced?

Very interesting, I read quite a bit from the first thread you posted. So are the crystals I have been getting considered uncommon? I only ask because I have only been doing this for a couple months and it seems like these gem/diamond type crystals are formed by slow temperature drops and using more solvent than recommended in most re-x teks I've seen. There may be some key during my process I'm unaware of but I get these everytime I try for them. I wish I could post outside of the new members forum...haha I have so many questions.

It will be depleted of spice so save it in a jar for next time..or zippo..or Re-x