I would consider myself experienced with the mushroom, and have done some mushroom and harmala mixtures with much ease. It has been a little since I tripped last and was planning out a trip with some friends to a nice quiet spot in some woods once the fall colors start appearing in all the trees. By that time one of said friends should be coming across quite a bit of dmt. My thoughts are this;

I have experience with mushrooms up to an eighth, and have had experience with smoked dmt up to 60mg. I love the places that higher doses of mushrooms put me, but wanted to push slightly past that with this experience. I was thinking of taking 3-4g of rue and brewing a mushroom tea from 2-2.5g, and mixing some of the dmt into this tea once it has been cooled enough. Dmt can often make me uncomfortable however, so I want a smaller dose but am not sure where to start. I want to be feeling more of the mushrooms, but with that slight visual boost that the oral dmt will give, since mushrooms dont give to much of visuals for me. What would be a good dose of oral dmt for this amount of mushrooms with harmala? I was thinking around 20-30mg, but some info and thoughts would be nice. Some trip reports of people who have done this combo would be nice as well.

Thanks all

Well, the one time I tried harmalas with shrooms, it actually made the trip worse. Was not intense at all.

Here is what I think you should do before you mess around with adding DMT and stuff.....increase your shroom dosage.


I have done 10g of shrooms many times and 12g one time....let me tell you what.....it is soooooooooo much stronger and different than just doing 3.5 grams......

^ you also seem to need more mushrooms than most, have a very different tolerance build up than most..can take far moer LSA than most and not trip and you seem to react very strangly to harmalas as well...so your experiences should not be taken as the norm for most people.

Harmalas with mushrooms do certainly increase the intensity for the majority of people..keep in mind though that it is synergy at work and when harmalas are combined with mushrooms it changes the experience. It is not just like taking more mushrooms..

However, like behindthelight said..taking more mushrooms should get you there. Mushrooms should be able to get you to hyperspace all by themselves when the dose is sufficient.

I have combined caapi, mimosa and mushrooms..and lets just say I only did that once. I did try it again actaully about 2 months ago but I only took a small fraction of a gram of cubes this times after the peak of the ayahuasca and even still the mushrooms were boosted enough to produce a powerful tryptamine afterglow that extended much longer than ayahuasca would alone..

I want to work with this combination more in the future because I believe that rue and psilocybin mushrooms were used traditonally in the east long ago together, probably with amanitas as well and other plants.

^^^this right there

I plan on taking larger doses at some point in the future, but am going to slowly work my way up to it. However I still am very interested in the combination I described. Would 30mg be enough to add to the mushroom experience? Or should it be more. I have always been interested in this combination.

I think 30mg would definitely do something....give it a shot.

I shall do so. I have heard that 30mg wont really do much even with an MAOI, but if there is already another psychedelic in the system, the 30mg should be at least enough to alter and build upon that already altered state of mind.

Plus, it is always good to start small....it would be really bad if you did like 120mg and it ended up being to much and you got really scared and freaked out and ended up having a nightmarish trip...you never know.

^Exactly, it is good to start small with these substances. I have had strong vaped experiences, and would not want that strong of an experience for my first oral attempt...would be a little overwhelming.

But 30mg should be enough to alter the shroom trip at least, right? Thats the main thing I'm after here.

I think 30mg sounds pretty safe as a starting dose

I have very much experience with rue+shrooms. They go so well together that it's rare for me to go without the rue any more.

I would definitely cut back a bit on the rue. I usually do only about 1.5-2 grams. This still usually doubles the potency of the shrooms. I find that 3 grams rue is a bit too much for me. If you take that much rue alone, you'll be in a different place. The rue can overpower the mushrooms. You'll probably have to find what works for you, since everyone is different. But I'd say keep it at about 2.5 g rue at most.

Also, most of the time shrooms hit me in about 45 minutes at most, on an empty stomach. Not every time, but some times the rue makes it take as much as an hour and a half. The danger of this is going, "Oh, I don't think I had enough shrooms, better eat more!" This was my thought process twice, and both times the first dose began setting in within minutes of eating more shrooms. (Both times with Pan Cyan, not sure if it's something peculiar about them) Needless to say, I had very intense times. Not bad, though, but at points my consciousness literally melted. The trees began making noises like on the Lord of the Rings. It was pretty crazy stuff.

As for adding the DMT, go for it! It will last longer, and it will still feel like shrooms, but it will definitely change the nature of the trip.

I´ve done this a couple of times and i realy liked it. It is absolutely true though, that harmala´s change the mushroom experience. In my view the experience becomes more extatic, like ayahuasca. Combining shrooms and oral DMT doesn´t make more sense than just taking more shrooms or more DMT: When the dose is high enough you´ll hardly notice the difference between the two anyway.

hi guys, i was thinking about this. tell me, what difference does drinking caapi 15 mins b4 taking shrooms make??

I mean aren't shrooms bad enough alone, let alone potentiating?.. or does caapi actually slow the experience down and make it more aya like. your thoughts pleese.

I've only experience with rue, not caapi. I usually take it 30 minutes before my shrooms. It has never once made shrooming any easier. A high dosage of shrooms alone will definitely get me to a full-on visionary state, 3-d luminous visions....a medium dose shrooms plus rue is much similar, only with entity contact, often with a story line, a bit more intense, more spiritually/emotionally profound.

Christian, if you find shrooms "bad enough alone", maybe try the lemon tek? For me, that does make for a gentler experience. Smoother come up/come down that way. I've yet to try lemon-tek plus rue. Honestly, I find anything with rue rewarding, but never "easy".

Cheers, Doodazzle!

i was just windering . theres little infon about shroomhuasca about.. the more info the bettea, guess its all about experimentation and intuition, woo!

I would be very careful with that combination. The synergy makes the mushrooms far stronger..I would only take .5g of dry cubes to start.

I probly wont do this again until I have mushroom tincutres down and ca figure out exactly how to dose them so that most of the alkaloids absorb sublingual before I swallow them..even with the lemon tea these days, cubes make me sick. Like I cant take a large dose of them even in a tea and not feel all stiff and have a sore stomache..I still love them though and these effects dont last after the trip.

Until I can get a tincutre to work like that combining mushroom tea with oral harmalas sounds not too fun..light dose of tea with some sublingual harmalas though might be fine..or other species of mushrooms..I do love cubensis though and would like to clean up the effects a bit while still retaining the full spectrum of alkaoids presest.

Cheers Jamie, was focussing on psilocybe cyanescens, aka-wavy caps!

So U reckon 1/2 gram these dried 'rooms', plus 'aya'=(caapi), is about right??

I just recently tried drinking caapi tea and vaping DMT about 4 hours after taking 1.5G of shrooms. I didn't expectt the shrooms to have much effect so long after ingesting them but man did they! My impression of what happened is that the caapi/dmt combo massively enhanced whatever psilocin was left in my system, temporarily giving me the effect of about 5 or 6 grams of potent shrooms, and another gradual comedown/afterglow over the next several hours.

At the same time, I feel that the caapi/shrooms actually diminished, or at least radically altered the effect I would otherwise have gotten from the vaped DMT. It was extremely intense, but not in the typical DMT way. Except for some body load, it FELT just like a very short but very intense mushroom trip.

^ its like that without the mushrooms also in my experience..vaped DMT with oral harmalas always comes on slower for me and the trip itself is more spaced out or widened and it feels more like a short mushroom or oral DMT experience. I have vaoped DMT both on top of ayahuasca and mushrooms and the effects are quite similar..with mushrooms though there was even more of a sort of "other" vibe..

I suppose it makes sense they'd be similar, DMT and Psilocin are very closely related chamical structures aren't they?