I was just wondering what would happen if I did a STB extraction on chaliponga. I know there will most likely be major problems, I just want to know what would happen to expand my understanding on the extraction of DMT.


Thanks in advance, Gnar

You'll get a lot of plant garbage in it.

Would it be smokeable? Around what % DMT would the product be?

And is the 7-8 defats fully necessary? Would 4ish be alright? or would it still turn out like goop becasue i plan on doing this extraction in several small batches to minimize my chances of messing anything up and i feel like it's going to take much longer for the 7-8 defats needed for chaliponga.

How are you planning to defat an STB? Whatever you do, don't try to freeze precip, you'll have to evap and that's going to leave you with a lot of oily garbage.
It'll be as smokable as a bunch of plant garbage with some DMT in it gets. The alk content will be more dependant on the plant than the extraction method, though I've read that high pH's with chaliponga and chacruna tend to lose a lot of alks for some reason.
This is the wrong method for the plant that you intend to extract. Read, read, and read some more and come back with some well thought out questions on procedures suited to chaliponga - you'll find them all here.

I followed the lextek, but i only defatted once as it was a test run with a handful of ground chaliponga, and I didnt freeze precipitate. it turned out yellow on the glass evap pan, but when i scraped it off it's like blkack tar.

How about trying to re-x it, or re-a/b it?

Noman, did you try to extract with STB some chali? Re-x was not enough for clean up? What about re-a/b?

The Lex Tek isn't an STB - that's where you threw me.

Yes, I've tried an STB with chaliponga and I got oily tar. Re-x gave me some crystal, but it was near impossible to separate. An A/B wasn't much better and then I used the Lex Tet and it worked great. I posted some comparison pics on the thread where Coschi was developing it, if anyone cares to go digging.

instead of going to the trouble to do 7 or 8 defats you could always just convert the dmt in the naptha back to its salt form by mixing with an acidic water solution. this will leave all the fats and plant gunk in the naptha and pull the dmt into the acidified water. do it at room temperature

then from there just basify the acidifed mixture that now contains dmt, and do more pulls. this should yield you nice white crystals no matter how fatty the plant

That is essentially the Lex Tek.

Also i meant to say the black tar-like product was smoked and smelled like a campfire and no effects were noticed.

So you actually salted the alks out of the NP, and then re-AB'd and you still got tar that smoked like shit?

Ok i'll sum it up but this is exactly what we did...

First we did the acid cook by simmering the chaliponga in vinegar/water solution for ~1.5 hours, then removed all plant material from the vinegar/water solution, then we basified the vinegar/water solution with lye, then added the naphtha, shook it around for a couple minutes, then removed the basified liquid and discarded it (kept the naphtha). we did this same procedure the first time (mentioned above), and now we did it yesterday again except this time we put it in the freezer and it's going to sit there until tomorrow.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up.
That's not an STB or the Lex Tek.

Was what we did a complete failure? It's at my buddy's house because my girlfriend didn't want it in the house, and I haven't stopped by to see what the result was yet.

Maybe not.
READ the Lex Tek and try salting the alks out of the NP with acid as directed.

We did that the first time, and it turned into that goo. The vinegar/water solution turned orangish when added to the np.

So yes, you DID salt the aks and still got goo?
I'm sorry man, but this is really hard to follow.
You then re-based the vinegar solution, extracted with NP, and evaped?

Yea, and sorry for the shitty explanation haha.

That is truely weird. Did the acid solution change color when you added the lye? Did the naptha take on any color?

I'm not trying to be a prick about this, I just am, so it comes out that way.