Hi

Sorry for asking yet another question...promise to contribute more when i know more

Swim told me "i have used this tek 4 times http://www.erowid.org/pl...a_chemistry1.shtml"

"On all previous occasions this has yielded very nice levels. Moved country and did a extraction this weekend. Used 400g MHRB. 4 x 100gMHRB//1500mlWater//100mlNaptha...in four big jars.

Differences between previous extractions and this one:
New lye(phoned manufactures who assures me it is above 98% pure).
New freezer(really not sure if it is cold enough but it is new).
Different water(due to new location, very hard water).
Rootbark 6 months old now(was pretty dry).
Did not shut lid after adding MHRB to lye water solution.
Jars may have been dusty, possibly had very slight residue from previous extractions.

Results of this pull:

Over night crystal formation was about 15% of amounts on previous extractions.
Removed naptha at 18 hours of freezer time, which has been fine before.
Some crystals were present but the vast majority melted, i could smell that they were DMT though, and not water. After drying there was only a very small amount, practically nothing in the bowls.

When i took the naptha off the previous night, i added more naptha to the MHRB solution and left it over night, about 12 hours. Took that off and freezered for 18 hours again, again, exact same result!!!

Added another 40g of lye to the mixture, left for 18 hours, did another pull...again Nada!!!

Doing another extraction this weekend, and really don't want to make the same mistake again...problem is Where was the mistake???


Oh yeah, the naptha was the exact same one from previous extractions and since i had 100g MHRB per jar, i added 100ml naptha per jar, and when i took the naptha off i placed 100ml per bowl into the freezer. I did not evap any off before freezing, but then i have never had to do that before, so if this was a mistake, then it was not the only mistake, right?

Summary( +99% pure lye//Same naptha//same MHRB//same tek and timings used)...where did i go wrong?"

Any advice you guys have for swim would be very much appreciated.

Try evaporating the solvent down to about 50ml before freezing. If the level of saturation isn't high enough then the DMT won't precipitate when you freeze it. The only other one I can see of the things you listed that may be the problem is if the freezer isn't cold enough, but try evapping down the naphtha til it gets cloudy before you put it in the freezer.

Cilocyber, I'm practically in the same situation as you. I think tony might be right with evaporating down to 50 ml then doing a freeze precip.. at least I hope so, because that would be a waste of a pound of bark :/

Thanks for the reply Tony.

Swim will certainly evap off half of it first on my next extraction.

Maybe it's a combination of a "not so cold freezer" and not evaping?

I can't help but think there is something else wrong though.

One thing swim noticed, that he has just remembered is that that was a lot of MHRB fibres left in the jars as opposed to it all being dissolved by the lye? Swim does not remember this being the case on previous extractions. Wonder if its possible that the lye might not have dissolved properly into the water?

Anyhow thanks

I started nomans tek last night and I'm in the same boat....

I see yellow clumps at the bottom but still have the same amount of naphtha. I didn't evap before freezing...

I'm just going to dump everything back into my jug, add some more lye, and leave the naphtha on longer. It only had a very faint yellow tint when I pulled it. I'm sure the evap is where I went wrong. Good thing I decided to do 100g test run first before a bigger one!

I also think it's because I wasn't using a huge glass jar, but a milk jug and 3x pint size glass jars. I think the yield would be greater when not separating the goop mixture and letting it all absorb into one huge pull.

I'll experiment with this later tonight. Thank god I've got some 4-ac0 enroute and enough cannabinoids to last till the second coming of Christ.

So it turns out it was a total fail for me

I think the problem was that the naphtha didn't have enough time to saturate in my mixture. I used 100g of bark and did 1:1 on everything else. The color of everything was right, the smell of everything was right (little bit fishy-ish) and the naphtha pulls went fine, there wasn't anything sucked up with it.

My big mistake was rushing to the freezer. I didn't evap down the solvent to half of what it was.

I transferred all the stuff to a much bigger glass jar, pounded the goop with more lye to boost back up the pH, added the naphtha from the first batch that I drained off (it WAS cloudy by this point, my very first one from the freezer at home was clear) plus added more fresh naphtha to IT and rotated the warm goodness around. It's going to be pulled tomorrow, hopefully I have a nice yellow color to it.

I basted out a squirt of the cloudy and evapped it with the use of a fan this time and have it sitting in a SUPER heavy freezer sitting at -10 degrees. I hope to GOD I get a little something this time....otherwise I'm just going to dump the rest of the bark into the mix, hammer it with more water and lye and cross my fingers!!!

To confirm what everyone always says, DON'T throw anything away....


I went ahead and got my test bowl from the freezer and to my surprise a lot of the solvent evapped off. I was left with none-other than white, sticky crystals (albeit a small amount, still a success!) they didn't melt, they simply dried out and had the oh so sweet familiar smell of opium (call me crazy but that's what I smell when I smell DMT)

This made me want to check my BIG jar.

Upon my re-introducing more lye to boost up the pH, I put the initial clear pull off this same 100g of MHRB in with brand new naphtha and let it soak for 1 day after agitation. I didn't look at it, I didn't touch it.

Tonight I did "the real" pull....in the fact that THIS is what I saw as opposed to just a slight tint of yellow in mostly clear solvent.





I immediately knew that this was a good one. And it was a result of try, try again on my part from the batch I considered a "useless test batch."

Can't wait to see what I get from this goodness tomorrow!

Big jar with the second round of solvent going to be pulled off tomorrow night....


Note that it already has a little bit of yellow on the top layer after about 2 hours of sitting after agitation.