..firstly, thanks
Growpen..i think it's good to get more smaller acacia related threads going (for perhaps more unresolved issues/extractions etc) so that this thread doesn't get too bulky too fast..re your linked thread -so maybe A. Podalyriifolia was relegated too soon..hmm..
thanks also
pablokabute, remember the 5meo finding was only 'tentative'..
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beautifulsorrow, welcome and thanks..these acacia notes from Trout 2004 were posted a few pages back too, but that link went dead..
they were a great co-ordination of available info at the time..since then there has been development in acacia-tryptamine knowledge, still growing..one thing that puzzles me about Trout/Appleseed's work at the time (Thin Layer Chromatography etc) is that it does not appear to have been followed up with further tests or assay..as Entheogen Review and Erowid aren't quite what they used to be, it leaves here (the nexus & the net) as the most up to date resource on the subject..
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..the following new information should make it to the next edition of Voogelbreinnder's "Garden Of Eden", still in print in it's 2009 form..regarding
oral activity of A. acuminata and A. mucronata phyllodes..
a number of experiments were observed in the past year in which the phyllodes of Acacia acuminata Broad Leaf variety were boiled 3 times in water, reduced, and consumed on their own (as a kind of 'huasca' brew without added MAOI components)
..50 grams of phyllode aqueous brew were consumed as around 300-400mL of 'liquid'..it was extremely astringent and bitter (& slightly sweet), as expected of such acacia brews..
mild effects were noticeable within 5 minutes..over 30-40 minutes mild CEVs of a geometric nature grew, along with strong non-visual 'feelings' hard to characterise, and a deep sense of a very powerful ancient teacher demanding respect..the extreme astringency of the tannin-loaded brew led to stomach distress in one person for 15-20 minutes..strength +1 and a half on the Shulgin scale..effects diminished at around 90 minutes..these leaves were found by endlessness to contain Tetrahydroharman: DMT: Tryptamine: 3-Methyl-Quinoline: Harman: N-Methyl-Phenetylamine: Phenetylamine
49.7 : 11.9: 10.6: 0.7: 0.6: 0.4: 0.1..other collections of leaves would quite probably have different ratios of compounds and effects..i have underemphasised the strong 'plant spirit' aspect of this for this writer..but it was deep, old and wise..not for the flippant..especially when combined with MAOIs..
..an experiment was then conducted with 30grams phyllode and 3grams P. harmala..this led to a very strong 'huasca'-type experience, with brief mild visuals very early (around 10 minutes) then a growing sense of 'vertigo' and inescapable psychoactiveness (for around 45 minutes) until visuals lasting for around an hour..while visuals were medium strength, the overall feeling and mental space was quite intense..a sense of stimulation persisted to 5-6 hours..
..previous experience with strong A. maidenii and obtusifolia phyllode+P. harmala brews have indicated that depending on diet or individual, not all can stomach such a potion for long without purging..such brews require specialist practice and focus to work with..they are more demanding than typical Ayahusca made with P. viridis..about 50% of the limited test subjects have purged within 10 minutes on such brews..
the leaves were provided by someone else..i have had reports that when used in a few sessions with B. caapi, a number of participants became filled with panic and had difficulty maintaining control, in one case in a dangerous fashion..so, i wouldn't recommend that those not experienced with ayahuasca generally attempt brews with such multi-alkaloid phyllodes..
an experiment was done around 7 years ago with 50-60 grams of A. mucronata var. longifolia phyllodes on their own..these were found by GCMS to be around 10% ß-carbolines..they resulted in a milder but similar effect to the acuminata, but a smoother feeling overall..in conjunction with MAOIs, mucronata did not have the prolonged 'stimulation' experienced with the particular acuminata tested..
..i have been told that the Narrow Leaf variety of acuminata yields primarily DMT in the phyllodes..hopefully tests can happen in the near future..this would be a more suitable candidate for more typical 'huacsa' type brews..also, the bark content of the Broad Leaf strain is probably different to the phyllodes..again, future tests..
respect all trees
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..the closely related
Acacia neurophylla (native Western Aus. and South Australia) has two varieties, subsp. neurophylla, fairly variable, and subsp. erugata, with longer phyllodes..as reported in Voogelbreinder 2009, 'J' found bark/stem to contain mainly DMT, and phyllodes mainly Harman, though this varies apparently..needs cultivation, preservation and research..
below are it's two varieties, with the Broad Leaf
A. acuminata first..
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