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kirbypeanuckle
#1 Posted : 3/23/2012 8:06:23 AM

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1st extraction. 1 kilo of powdered root bark is in the mail. I have been reading up on the teks and extraction methods and wanted to make sure I understood the BASIC IDEA. Please correct me where I'm wrong.

DMT is an alkaloid (the type of material that creates salt crystals). A good source of dmt is MHRB. These teks show different ways to soak the root bark in an acidic substance which pulls the dmt from the bark. Other stuff happens.

Solution is left to evaporate leaving the dmt crystals (like leaving salt water to evaporate to get salt). Sometimes processes the yield must be washed to remove any residue from the process?.....



Other questions:

is any tek favorable for powdered root bark?

what yield can I expect for 1 kilo of MHRB?
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#3 Posted : 3/23/2012 5:00:34 PM

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When you mix bark with acidic water, it turns the alkaloids into water soluble salts, you then add a base to turn it into a freebase, which can be pulled out with a solvent, such as naphtha. Then the naphtha can be evaporated to yield your DMT, or preferably, placed in a sealed container in the freezer, and the crystals will crash out (if naphtha or heptane is used as the solvent). Not all solvents will allow DMT to freeze precipitate, but there are other methods for getting your DMT out of the solvent, if you choose a different one.
 
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#4 Posted : 3/23/2012 7:45:34 PM

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ok,

acid turns pulls alkoid dmt from the MHRB and turns them into water soluble salt crystals. a base is then added turning it into a freebase (dmt reverts back from crystal to its base form).

adding a (safe?) solvent will absorb the dmt and the alkaloids will from the unhealthy base. the solvent is then extracted and evaporated leaving the dmt salt crystals.

adding additional solvent will enable more dmt to be absorbed from the base mixture. this can be repeated and is what the teks call "pulls".


Is that correct? This is making sense to me if I'm somewhat in the right direction.

A couple things:

1. the dmt is crystalized from acid then freebased then crystalized again? this is to remove acidic substances?

2. thanks






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#5 Posted : 3/23/2012 8:35:49 PM

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My advice would be to not bother with these questions. Open this page and follow it to the letter.

Don't start with half a pound of root bark though - scale the extraction down by starting with 50 grams of MHRB, 50g of lye, 600ml of water and a total of 100ml of naphtha, which gives you 4 pulls of 25ml each. a 750ml liquor bottle is perfect for this extraction. Just don't mix your lye and water in the bottle, do it in an open container and wait for the solution to cool after which you should use a funnel to pour it into the bottle.

Always work in a sink.

The tek page states VM&P naphtha only... but Zippo Fluid, Ronsonol, Clipper, etc. work perfectly well.

Once you've done this, you will understand the concept forever...
 
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#6 Posted : 3/24/2012 5:39:04 AM

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Acid will form a salt with alkaloids that are soluble in water, meaning it dissolves in the aqueous solution and will be leached from the bark. Filtering the liquid, and repeating another soak on the bark with fresh acidic water, 2-3 more times should pull the majority of the alkaloids out of the bark and into the water. The bark can then be squeezed out through some sort of filter (t-shirt works great for me). Then you combine the water layers, and reduce it by boiling it down to a smaller, workable amount. I also like to place it, once reduced, in the fridge overnight to allow all the sediment and tiny particles to settle to the bottom, and it can be filtered once more by decanting the liquid off the sediment, and then filtered through a t-shirt, or similar, one last time.

Adding sodium hydroxide, or a strong base (pH 13+ will prevent emulsions from forming) will lop off the acid from the alkaloids in the solution, turning your alkaloids to freebases, which are soluble in non-polar solvents, such as naphtha (my favorite). By mixing the solvent layer well with the now basic water layer, and letting them separate, will pull the freebase alkaloids into the non-polar solvent layer. This should be repeated 3-4 times with fresh solvent and saved.

The non-polar solvent can then be evaporated to pull out the DMT and probably some oils. If you use naphtha, and place it in the freezer however, you can actually watch the DMT crystals begin to settle out of the solvent as it is kept below freezing. These crystals can then be filtered from the solvent quickly, and dumped onto a glass dish immediately (before they begin to melt back into the naphtha as it warms), and then placed in front of a fan to completely evaporate the remaining solvent on the crystals. Once it's totally evaporated to dryness, you will have smoke-able freebase crystals.
 
kirbypeanuckle
#7 Posted : 3/24/2012 7:43:50 AM

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GratefulDad wrote:
Acid will form a salt with alkaloids that are soluble in water, meaning it dissolves in the aqueous solution and will be leached from the bark. Filtering the liquid, and repeating another soak on the bark with fresh acidic water, 2-3 more times should pull the majority of the alkaloids out of the bark and into the water. The bark can then be squeezed out through some sort of filter (t-shirt works great for me). Then you combine the water layers, and reduce it by boiling it down to a smaller, workable amount. I also like to place it, once reduced, in the fridge overnight to allow all the sediment and tiny particles to settle to the bottom, and it can be filtered once more by decanting the liquid off the sediment, and then filtered through a t-shirt, or similar, one last time.

Adding sodium hydroxide, or a strong base (pH 13+ will prevent emulsions from forming) will lop off the acid from the alkaloids in the solution, turning your alkaloids to freebases, which are soluble in non-polar solvents, such as naphtha (my favorite). By mixing the solvent layer well with the now basic water layer, and letting them separate, will pull the freebase alkaloids into the non-polar solvent layer. This should be repeated 3-4 times with fresh solvent and saved.

The non-polar solvent can then be evaporated to pull out the DMT and probably some oils. If you use naphtha, and place it in the freezer however, you can actually watch the DMT crystals begin to settle out of the solvent as it is kept below freezing. These crystals can then be filtered from the solvent quickly, and dumped onto a glass dish immediately (before they begin to melt back into the naphtha as it warms), and then placed in front of a fan to completely evaporate the remaining solvent on the crystals. Once it's totally evaporated to dryness, you will have smoke-able freebase crystals.



this, this makes sense. science rules.
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