There is an enormous group of very educated people here, so this post may not apply to all, but it has been something I wanted to talk about so others don't make the same mistake I did. Tho there have probably already been very similar threads started, I just wanted to touch on it again with the hopes that I might be able to help somebody out.

My 3rd time ever smoking spice I was very excited, I was hoping it would be just as amazing as my first two journeys.
Long story short...a buddy of mine got some "spice" from somebody he knew and brought it home. I went to his house and he mixed about 25-30mg in with some herb in a pipe. I took a big hit (just one) and held it in for about 15 secs and layed down.

It didn't take long to realize that this was not at all what I was expecting, I thought I was dying. (even tho I knew I really wasn't) it wasn't a bad trip it was just the most intense awkward thing ever.

This was not spice that I had smoked...my buddy got something he thought was dmt but it was really 5-meo dmt. I made my friend call the person he got it from to ask. Sure enough he told my friend it was indeed 5 meo.

Be careful, know exactly what you are doing and where exactly it came from. Needless to say I have since "smartened up" myself and only use spice (nn-dmt) which I personally extracted. 5meo can be very scary for some, especially at such a large dose for my first time.

That's what can happen when you don't know what you're dealing with. Make your own and you know what you have.

I'd love to try me some 5meo. But being suprised like that is not cool.

Nearly the same exact thing happened to me! I hate it when people treat DMT and 5-MeO-DMT as the same chemical. Both amazing chemicals, but if you take a dosage appropriate for DMT, like 25 mg, but it was actually 25 mg of 5-MeO, you're screwed.

Thats why you should extract your own...

Glad you are ok... Be safe!

very different experiences and both should be entered into with full disclosure. not cool of your friend to just happen to not mention that. sounds like you weathered the storm though and your words of caution will no doubt help someone from a similar fate down the road.

thanks for putting it up. for the record, when it comes to profound plant-teacher medicine like DMT, i will not work with any other than what i myself have extracted. it's a VERY important part of the entire experience.

L&G

I used to own a Bufo Alvarius toad... We'd squeeze her glands onto a glass plate and then dry and smoke outta an ice pipe...

I used to hate it... it was like a novelty but mostly it just scared the shit outta me... like a void sorta... like some of my salvia trips.

Now that i've done real spice.. I can feel the similarities; but NO THANKS on the toad venom! (or any other 5meo)

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ps Also I once smoked this stuff from the head shop , the guy told me it was basically DMT... and yeah.. I felt like I was dying/tripping and going crazy all at once...

I went to a place of seemingly infinite darkness, some people report having little to no visuals from 5 meo dmt but I had some pretty weird ones. Even when I finally tried to stand up with my eyes open it felt like I had eaten a 10 strip of Lucy when I looked at the wall/carpet. It wasn't a bad experience just kinda caught me off guard and was certainly way too large of a dose.

And like I explained in my first post I have since gotten much wiser, that happened a couple years ago now. I now won't smoke anything that I myself didn't extract, Once you do your first extraction you realize that that is the only way to go. I like having the "my product" feel to it when I smoke it. It's more comforting.