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Eating San Pedro Raw/Fresh Options
 
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#1 Posted : 12/15/2011 5:27:12 AM
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I never read about this in my brief reading about San Pedro succulents, but after reading various ways to cook the food, I decided to just try it raw.

I cut a 1ft (2 inch in diameter) section off a plant in my window - it doesn't grow so big and fat as I see in other places. Then I cut V's around the spines to remove them (a carrot peeler probably would be better), then I slit the cutting in half along the length. Then I removed the core in each half of the cutting by running my thumb under it. Then I sliced the halves into 1 inch lengths.

I simply popped them in my mouth, 1 at a time, and chewed lightly to get the meaty sections off the hard skin, then chewed the skin to make sure there was no more flesh, then spitting the tough skin out ... repeated for all sections.

I was shocked! I thought it would be so terrible and yucky as I always read. To my surprise, it tasted about as bitter as eating a cucumber with the skin on. Not bad at all, not at all.

I wonder why I don't read about eating San Pedro raw.
Can anyone tell me why this isn't the best way to enjoy San Pedro?
 

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#2 Posted : 12/15/2011 8:04:31 AM
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I imagine it would be the best way to preserve the alkaloids, but perhaps it's harder for the digestive system to break down all the cactus and absorb those alkaloids compared to eating mescaline salt or drinking a condensed tea/resin that is far higher per gram in alkaloids.

Did you have any effects?
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#3 Posted : 12/15/2011 1:57:57 PM
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Entheojen wrote:
I imagine it would be the best way to preserve the alkaloids, but perhaps it's harder for the digestive system to break down all the cactus and absorb those alkaloids compared to eating mescaline salt or drinking a condensed tea/resin that is far higher per gram in alkaloids.

Did you have any effects?


the alkaloids are very stable, no actions are needed to preserve them


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i doubt it was a strong cacti if it didnt taste very, very bitter

 
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#4 Posted : 12/15/2011 6:25:26 PM

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Yeah, I don't think it's as gross as it sounds... But it's still should be hard to get down. Even my pc Pedro's green flesh was way more bitter than a cucumber. I cut down a cuzcoensis and it tasted pretty cucumber ish.... Slimier of course. The Cuzco turned out to be ineffective at 1.5 feet consumed as resin.

Did you get effects?
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#5 Posted : 12/15/2011 8:11:14 PM

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I dunno I ate some fresh flesh off my achuma before cooking it and it was like eating a more bitter green bell pepper, and it was pretty potent.
I think I could definitely eat a foot or two fresh before it got to be too much.
Seems like a nice respectful way to treat your cacti friend and its raw so it seems healthier.
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#6 Posted : 12/15/2011 8:30:52 PM

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Hahaha this reminds me of what I did a year or two ago. I ate about 10-12 inches of pedro raw. I cut it up into stars, had some salsa, lime, salt, and water and chomped it down over the course of an hour or two. Definitely got some effects, really cool visuals, was definitely vibing for a while. After a while I was just eating the corners of the stars though. Wasn't too bad on my stomach actually, worse swallowing the edges of the skin going down your throat. What was awful on my stomach was the resin though, I have never had stomach pain as bad as that resin, worse than eating 12-14 grams of morning glory seeds, which is just plain sadistic. Don't mean to come off bragging though, the morning glory was a younger, reckless, and stupid cave paintings.
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#7 Posted : 12/15/2011 9:46:17 PM
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There is 3 useful types so far as I know:

PERUVIANUS (Peruvian Torch)
BRIDGESII (Achuma Cactus)
PACHANOI (San Pedro)

I have the Pachanoi/SanPedro. In Alaska, we have about 4 hours of daylight now. The plant sits in a south double-pane window (blocks radiation). It gets about 16 hours of sun in the summer (but it doesn't turn blue). It hasn't been watered for a few months now (Oct-Dec). It had a lime-green tip, but solid and dark green otherwise. Much thinner than most I see - the plant seems to max-out at about 2 (actually, 1.5 inches in diameter after measuring it).

The effects were not very potent, but I don't attribute it to the method, I attribute it to the potency, and the amount. I think I will buy a Bridgesii, as many say it is more consistent. I probably should have eaten 3-4ft since the diameter was so small.

Area of a circle is Pi * r^2 ... so, roughly:

1.0in radius (2in diameter) = 3.14 sq.in.
1.5in radius (3in diameter) = 7.07 sq.in
2.0in radius (4in diameter) = 12.6 sq.in.

Roughly, doubling the diameter should increase the potency 4x. So a 4in wide section should have 4x the potency of a 2in wide section.

It was my 1st time eating San Pedro, though I have grown it for about 20 years. I am about 50 years old. The effects were just up & happy & energizing, with slight plays on light/vision. I felt a rush coming on at about 1.5 hours, but it didn't amount to much. Just worked happily all day with a very positive attitude, and slept nicely. I would say the general level of the buzz was equal to Coca Tea made from a 1L glass jam-packed with Coca Leaves (with 2 teaspoons of baking soda). Or a dose of caffiene that makes you wired and jittery, or 1g of dry cubes.

I am into engergizing things since late 40s when you get lazy easily, and need extra energy, beyond good health, to enjoy life fully. I am of the opinion that it's better to burn out than to fade away.

Anyway, about that level of buzz. The eating experience wasn't bad at all. But maybe it was less bitter because of less alkaloids. I think the cactus would be great in a Guacamole or Salsa ... Or bred for higher sugar and lower alkaloid content as an easily harvestable food for arid climates. I had no upset stomach or nausea or anything. Once you remove the core, and the tough rind/skin, it is very edible, tasting almost exactly like a whole cucumber with the rind/skin, same texture and flavor. In my studies, it seems that it would be important to get as much flesh off near the rind/skin as possible, since darker green = more alkaloids. The rind/skin is definitely NOT edible - tough as leather.

As far as Coca Tea goes, I would not recommend it, and will not buy it again, but I guess it is worth trying. It tastes good, like a rich flavorful green tea, and it is probably very healthy for you, but it takes a massive amount of leaves for a tiny tiny barely noticeable buzz. But if you use 1L of jam-packed leaves, and 1 teaspoon of baking soda, you will notice easy breathing, a little extra energy for a few hours, and maybe a hyper-active mind/talking for an hour or so. It is very expensive using those amounts, and not much more energy than a strong coffee.

I have tried many things over the years, and I am a chemist (but have other degrees and worked most of my life in other areas) and experiment with things from time to time, just to acquire experience in life. Life is so damn short in the end. Ethnobotany & Herbd has always been a hobby since mid-1980s.

By the time we are ready to die, we are only beginning to learn how to live. IMHO, a very strong psychedelic trip should be mandatory, like part of high school graduation Smile Everyone should experience ego death at least once.

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