hello all
i wanted to write a little bit about my experiments w/ the spice over this past month.. but 1st a quick run down of me and why i have come this way..

i gave led and mescaline a go in my youth but never felt quite connected to it. it was fun and not so fun but otherwise not remarkable. and i left it at that..
2 years later i found cannabis and a beautiful relationship flourished. then several years ago i became familiar with the beast that is cluster headaches and i saw that
you could control the pain or stop it complete with psychedelic substances.. still i was held back by (what seems now) and irrational fear of these drugs..
that was until 2 months ago when i could no longer take being controlled by pain..

so here we are now - 1st month i was able to get some mushrooms and it worked like GLORY.. was able to completely rid myself of all the RXs i was on.. (( tooooooo many to list at this point ))
but alas i am in one of the 3 useless states that has a stop on ordering spores. so that was out until i could scrounge some more. then a friend introduced me to the spice..

so the 2nd month of trials revolved around 2grams of the spice. what follows is a ruff account of my trials and errors w/ dosage and pharma/changa mixes...
-- side note : through all of this i have never 'broken through' some wild rides yes .. but a full bt not once....... i am really hoping that my next trials will involve a break through as i see it it is crucial for the healing
process in my headaches -- ( this is not a guess on my part - i have exchanged info w/ other cluster heads who say that while the spice helps it does so much better at breakthrough doses then non )

on to my trials

* vaporizing - ( no harmalas 30mins till baseline , w/ harmalas 2hrs till baseline )
• everything from 10mg through to 80mg in a vaporizing pipe
at first i was thinking that my technique was at fault for no BT but after many different trials i am now relatively sure that for the devices i have my technique is good.. just ?????
i am able to get very very out there but never do i leave..
another odd note is that when moving from 60 - 80mg it seems to plateau the hits i took at 70 and 80mg were just an intense whirlwind of the geometric patterns
not discernible and w/o any of the euphoric feelings that come w/ the 60mg and bellow hits. the times i did that mg i was left with a strong feeling that i missed something
breakdown in dose
10mg - slight euphoria and moderate pain relief
20mg - same euphoria w/ very good pain relief
25mg - this is the point where the color patterns start to appear
30mg - i have seen the tunnel at this point only once and i was unable to get myself down and into the light
35mg - it is only here that any of the auditory effects begin to appear
40/50mg - strong sense of euphoria and the body buzz that begins at the early stages becomes more pronounced and stays with me longer. it is at this stage that the only discernible hallucinations take place (see my 1st post for more on that)
60mg - just crazy colors and odd writing/numbers appearing in the swirls..
70/80 - see above

also i am very free to move around my house during all this - at first i was very reluctant to move incase i broke through but as time progressed i realized i was not going to break through so i would just have fun
exploring my house and oddly enough staring in the mirror watching the drug split me in 2 (( VERY HARD to explain - not scary just really fun to watch ))

* oral w/ mao inhibition
• from 60mg through 120mg dissolved in lemon juice for 3+ hours then added to OJ for taste

1st trial was w/ a white cappi tea i brewed myself w/ 60mg of spice - 0 nada zip nothin , but i know the cappi was working due to an extended smoked spice trip taken 1.5 hours after oral ingestion
2nd - 4th trial was with extracted harmala and THH. dosed 200mg THH and 100mg spice - felt the familiar spice come up but nothing much beyond what i labeled above as a 20mg vaped experience - died out after 20mins
5th - failed mao inhibition

* enhanced leaf
• 2 trials one with 250mg spice separated into 3 smoking sessions and one quick melt one that failed miserably
with the 3 joints rolled w/ spice, mullen and peppermint w/ added harmala

AWESOME _ such great experiences though no breakthroughs.
i did convince my wife to drive me down PCH by the breach for one of the sessions - amazing smoking spice while moving at 50mph will never be forgotten and once the main bit wore off and we entered into a city
it was like we were under the water with all the buildings and roads moving and rolling. I really do recommend this be tried (AS A PASSENGER) was such a fun 2 hours

with all this info i really hope someone out there can help me a bit with the breakthrough part . I'm considering after my first extraction to just load 100mg and see where it takes me.

also for reference i have smoked spice quite a bit inside a sativa joint and for head pain control there is not much better - normally i can not smoke weed when my cluster flares as it makes it worse ( just the cluster not a migraine helps w/ migraine) but with about 60mg of spice placed strategically about 1/4 from top but never closer then 1/4 from the end it is a great pick me up for the day as well.

one last note - i have found i really enjoy smoking spice during the day. i love watching the trees march around as if preparing for war..
just my two cents

hope this helps someone or someone has some good feedback for me

i gotta be doing something wrong, right

s

What are you using to smoke with? If you haven't tried already, I strongly suggest trying the Glass Vapor Genie. It seems odd to me that you can't break through on such high doses :S Are you getting all of it into your lungs in one breath? Practise makes perfect my friend Glad it's helping with those pesky head aches though, I used to suffer from migraines as a child / teen and can fully empathise with how debilitating such things can be.

Best of luck on your quest for a breakthrough

thanks for the reply. i have not used the GVG but almost got a classic VG the other day.
i use an essential vaporizer pipe. i love it and have had very little problems with it.
i know there is a dissenting opinon on that particular pipe but i have only
noticed a very small 1-5mg loss from doing it this way. as far as single breath. i can hit
30mg with one breath and when i was trying higher doses was able to get 2 or 3 good hits
before motor function was not to be trusted with a butane torch. i am always alone when smoking.
i have found with myself at least that i do not like having a sitter and since i dont BT that easy it would seem
i have not felt the need for one.

and as it stands. the 1st month of trials and errors with mushrooms the one night i did have a sitter
i actually snapped myself out of a trip because they were asking annoying questions. and from there
forward i said to myself no sitters unless im taking a huge dose where i would need to be watched
or if there is a risk for running into other people.


is there a post here or anywhere that i might be able to find some
further info on extending the exp. and whats involved. i would really like to
bring the exp. out to 8 or so hours but do not know were to start.
do i just need a massive dose of mao before the spice or is it a re-dose type thing.

i have tons of passionflower. and another 2g of harmala/THH in the post.

what is the max dose of harmala extract i can take. should i maybe try
250mg harmala + 250mg THH then add the spice or maybe just take the 2hrs im
familar getting and just redose. my only issue with that would be the comedown.
i know i cant be peaking for 8 hrs but i would really like to see how far i can push it.

as reference. a 30hr iboga ritual in west africa sounds amazing to me. and is something
i will do before i die for sure.

Definitely get a GVG. SWIM was using essential Vaap and then he got a Classic Vapor Genie. Even that was a slight hassle. Then SWIM got a GVG and oh man...world of difference.