OK! since i just joined i want to catch up by telling what happened in earlier experiences.
this post will contain a report and a follow up question.

so it was a weekend night and even tho i rarely drink our go out at all this night ive been out with a couple of friends drinking and also had a couple of extacys. so when the bars close im not really satysfied so we decide to go to my mates flat and do some more e and hang out. said and done, we are all feeling great when i come up with the idea to add some changa. i am really seriouse about my use of this molecule and treat it with respect! anyway we did it. it felt like the e and alcohol made it so easy to throw youre self in to it with out fear or hesitation. it was beutiful after a couple of hits i was of to a dimension/ room that i recognised from earlier journeys except this time just a sligthly different color. it reminds me of plastic or clay in that randomly forms the walls and ceiling, but the feeling of it was like the mines of moria or a lego catacomb or something.
becuase i felt so safe and strong i didnt just dare more i craved it! i wanted to go deeper!
so i keept on hitting the pipe now light takes over the room just pure light and i can feel the already extreme feeling of extacy in my body intensify even more. i felt great! now i decide to try and meditate with this so i crossed my legs and put my hands together and started meditating. this was the first time i realized how much of an impact meditating and controlled breathing has on me when im ifluenced of changa/ dmt, since then i always do some sort of meditative when i smoke it.
anyway i can feel everything intensify with every breath i take and a small ball of light starts down somewhere at the end of the spine rising quickly like a thunnel or reversed cone upwards thru my body and just before it popped out of my skull i saw the gold mask of tuthankamun flash befor my eyes then pop! for a few secs wich could have been an eternity in my mind, there was only light comeing out of the crown of my head, no tought no sound nothing! when i can grasp where and what i am again i just feel myself smileing! and the only picture in my head was of the buddha under the bodi tree when he found enlightment.
i felt so satisfied and i started thinking is this how the budda felt? am i experiencing what he did? (i dont want to offend anyone that is trying hard with meditation by saying i reached nirvana after a night out on the town! but this is what i experienced.)
this was so profound that i had to stop hitting the pipe and take a brake. so we all did and smoked a joint talking about or journeys since this was their first time.
Well after the brake i went back on it this time something really strange happened, i took a couple of hits and whent to the clay catacombs again but i just kept on hitting and i felt like i jumped over that room or rather like this other room/ dimension was pulled over me. and this was like nothing else it was pink light sparkling like electrisity with a ancing being sort of looked like one of the greys (alien/ little green men) but he was made out of the same static light that surrounded him except he was white.
the feeling of beeing thrown so far past that already distant clay catacombs was terrifying and i tried to pull out of it. i didnt have to wait long becuase i was only the for about 5 seconds but you know it can feel alot longer! geometrical patterns sends me back to something else i really cant remember becuase of what i just experienced was still in my mind and i let that be a good end for this time.

so the day after i wanted to tell my other friend who makes the changa and is my fellow traveller often all about it so i did.
he has read alot more than me and is a little bit more experinced than me and he just told me that i really had to be careful with mixing mdma and maois. now after i done some research i know mdma and maois can be right out dangerous and if he had told me that befor i would never have tryed it and never had these amazing experince!
so my question to you fellow nexians and moore experienced beings is how dangerous can the mix of extacy pills and the extracted maois in changa be!?

Death-like dangerous, in the worst of cases. That's a big no-no. Let alone the fact that MDMA by itself is a dangerous substance. You said you also added alcohol? That's again a contraindication with MAOIS, as well as E.

http://www.erowid.org/ch...s/mdma/mdma_health.shtml

I advise you take the time and study those things, before going back in. Like REALLY study them. Check out the Health&Safety section to start with, and then continue from there.

Also, I find spice to be a very powerful molecule, and I wouldn't want myself to do it while [technically] wasted. It needs to have my full focus, otherwise I'm left confused about the whole thing. I don't even like to smoke cannabis anymore a good few hours before attempting a spice session. Watch your setting. Crowded, unfamiliar places aren't that good for internal reflection, I find.

Other than that, welcome to the Nexus. I'm glad your first experience was enjoyable, overall.

Peace,

thank you for youre answere!
this wasnt my first and absolutely not the last time. i just wanted to tell this incredible story and ask the question. i now know this risk and totally understand it, i would never mix these substances at all again. just like you i also feel like doing changa "clean" and since that occasion i usually dont mix it with anything.

Keep it clean. If you have to smoke something, use cannabis or tobacco.

Just to note, moderate usage is probably okay. Hence, why your initial trip was profound and amazing. Though, when you got greedy and tried to consume more of it the experience quickly turned bad. It's telling you to chill out, and to be moderate. Listen to the experience, it is talking to you.

I have always found that mixing substances, be they MDMA, LSD, alcohol etc. can 'stretch' one between their unique vibrational energies. It is as if you are bombarded with various and sometimes conflicting types of 'information', from various sources all at the same time.

Finding a harmonious mix between substances is often done purely by accident or fluke, is often unreliable when trying to replicate and often has side-effects. My only advice would be:
Know your substances
Know how they interact
Beware the booze! Many a foolhardy adventure began with some 'dutch courage' on board!

Peace,
-FF

thanks all! what iam wondering is: are the extracted maois as potent/ dangerous as if you drink lets say rue tea and then pop a few pills? i guess its in lower doses and there for probobly not directly deadly if you as death said do it moderatly.
i dont really know if it was the substances that made me scared or if it was that i smoked more and went alot deeper then ever before.

glad you had such an intense and fantastic experience!

But like the others said, the dangers are very real.
In no circumstances can this combination be used safely, at NO dosage, the long term damage that could be caused is largely unknown

It is understandable for MDMA &/or alcohol to lower your inhibition and pre-flight anxiety. I use other substances such as dissociatives for the same reason.

You should try vaping only DMT, without the harmalas, no reason to add them, experience is just as powerful, and better safe then sorry.


I have a disturbing medical article of 4 young people ages 17-21 who died from consuming MDMA and MAOI.

Ill post it here if I can find it

Some good advice right there!

mindlusion: thanks and then it was determined and no worries i wont like i said earlier try it again! this was before i knew this fact. i actually tried it with special k a couple of weekends ago but it didnt really do it for the anxiety and i acctually felt like the ketamine held me back. maybe i will try just the spice sometime but i dont make it myself yet so that will have to wait for now, but there must be at least one reason people add them otherwise people wouldnt right?
while on the subject my girlfriend really wants to try both the spice and the brew BUT, she has a raised blood pressure so she takes enalapril actavis wich is an ace inhibitor. can anyone tell me if this medicine contradicts maois? i really tried to find this information myself but havent found anything on the combination so i would really appriciate any tips i can get thanks!

That's 100% bad, irresponsible advice. Mixing phenethylamines and maoi's is not a good idea. Just because something doesn't kill you or cause notable negative effects, doesn't mean it's not taxing your health in ways that you may regret later.

Be safe. Be smart. Do your research and plan accordingly. Regarding your girlfriend, try PM'ing Corpus Collossum. He's a wealth of medical information.

thanks alot art! i will ask corpus becuase i really want her to be able to journey with me and open heart and mind for the better!