also when breaking through , do you still see parts of reality or does this mean you havent broken through ,

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We generally call a breakthrough what happens when you go so far into hyperspace it feels like you will never return, and you open your eyes, and there's nothing there that looks like normal reality. You are gone, forever, for an eternity...


...Then you come back...

Yeah there are those journeys where you open your eyes and see another dimension. There it doesn't matter if you keep them open or closed.

And of course there are those journeys where you no longer have eyes to open.

VERY freaky ones

very freaky ones are usually very difficult to remember, but I know that they happened.

Not freaky – just disembodied. (I'm disembodied in the majority of my breakthroughs.)

I have been using a blindfold after a friend suggested it. It goes something like this: put bandana on forehead above eyes, fire up GVG, yank blindfold down as the world dissolves into madness.

I have only tried this a few times but it eases the bounce in/ bounce out factor a bit.

This is so extremely significant that I just had to quote and reiterate it. Seriously, a true breakthrough has you seeing through consciousness, through your third eye. The physical eyes attached to your face have no significance. Most likely you wont have a choice to leave them open or closed. They just remain as they were when you exited your physical self.

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^^ I second that. I never realy understood claims of people walking around and interacting with others while in hyperspace.

Yeah I understood that. Most of my trips can be called more or less freaky compared to normal reality. Therefore when I don't know if my physical eyes are open or closed during the journey, it's just more freaky than normal. Freaky can be read as unreal, incredible, WHOA HOLY shit etc.

A totally dark room can be better than bandana if one wants total darkness for the journey(I prefer that)

Obviously, there is a range of experiences possible.

Sub threshold is akin to a short mushroom experience.

At the lower threshold doses, one can clearly see into Hyperspace with the mind's eye, but one isn't completely disembodied. With closed eyes or in a dark room, one can be immersed in a world that seems to envelop one's physical body. At these levels, though, it is possible to move, talk, turn on a light, open your eyes... whatever. This is also a level that one passes through on one's way down from higher doses.

What most people consider "breaking through" is when it goes from the above experience to one where you lose any sense of connection to your physical body. Time dilation and a sense of never coming back are not necessarily universal. At super levels (esp. combined with other substances), though, these become more likely as one gets catapulted into ever more timeless realms and is shown 4D (or more) information.

At such levels it usually doesn't matter about the eyes being open or closed, though the nature of the journey is altered.

However, it should be mentioned that someone who is somewhat experienced with being out of their body can choose to maintain body awareness even in the midst of super strong breakthroughs. (not generally much reason to do so, but it is possible) Also, experience and knowledge can cancel out the idea that you won't come back.

All of this being if you can actually think something other than OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG etc. at any level.

Closing your eyes normally causes the brain to shift from beta-waves to lower frequency's. When on spice, this effect is very dramatical and spectacular. Closing your eyelids will immediately transport you to other worlds.

I only keep my eyes open when doing low doses outdoors in nature.

Always start eyes closed in complete darkness. Then end up in full coloured light where eye's don't matter.

I like Gibran2s use of the term 'disembodied'; after a certain dose the indescibable imagery seen behind close eyes is EXPERIENCED' without the faculty of a conscious visual process.It then is immaterial, and perhaps beyond ones voluntary control, to open the eyes-assuming one is having a good, panic-feee experience.

These are freaky but the term, IMO, applies once the peak has been crossed, because prior to this the experience just 'is'; in the midst of this psychic maelstrom the concept of a visual apparatus has no salient meaning to the user.

On one such trip I did open my eyes perhaps 3 minutes into the trip;I might as well have not bothered for all the difference it made in my visual experiential field.

For me, this is mainly a dose-related phenomena.But I agree with those who say 'eyes closed' is the way to go for journeying in hyperspace.

I usually do close my eyes, but based on what others have written and my own experiences this doesn't matter to a large degree when you breakthrough. Personally I start with eyes open, once I start seeing colors and tracers in my visual field I know the trip has started. Then I close my eyes and ride out the journey.