This thread is to inspire immediate community testing of an amazing discovery by Phlux and Infundubilum.
This thread is for members to post their scientific tests of the Relatively "Purer" DMT from Benzine (not Benzene).

First, a short explanation of how I discovered THEIR amazing discovery: it's interesting how the Universal consciousness sends messages to help growth of humanity. I received a private message from Phlux yesterday [edit: gender mistake noted below], asking me to please read her report of what she saw when she opened her eyes during an intense DMT breakthrough. When she opened her eyes during the peak she was able to see her room and see her sweetie altered.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&m=30158

Her experience is different from what I experienced (because when I opened my eyes I was not able to see my room at all, I simply continued seeing hyperspace even-with-eyes-open as idtravlr did) still, I thanked Phlux for sharing her relevant "eyes-open" experience with me.

The point is, after Phlux sent me that message, I read more of her posts, and I found this amazing Discovery by Phlux:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&m=175248

And then, reading on, I found this amazing Confirmation by Infundubilum:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=175248#post175248

Even The Traveler happens to use a mainly-Benzine slightly-Naphtha blend:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=171357#post171357

So Naphtha leaves us with something we call "DMT", yes, but the truth is:
that "DMT" admittedly still contains DMT-Oxide and Various Other Alkaloids.
The discovery is that Benzine amazingly results in a relatively purer DMT product,
Benzine separates the pure DMT from those other Alkaloids, resulting in purer DMT.

Now of course, some might say "Who cares, I like those other Alkaloids, let 'em be!"
But the fact remains, if we are to discuss the effects of DMT, we should try purer DMT.

Now 1 reason why I find this discovery of Phlux & Infundubilum to be personally interesting,
is because as it happens, my uh, friend of a friend, "the author", exclusively used Benzine.

It seems very possible to me that relatively purer DMT from Benzine allows eye-opening.
It seems very possible to me that relatively purer DMT from Benzine allows body-movement.
It seems very possible to me that Various Other Alkaloids relatively Decrease such events.
Of course some non-Benzine-DMT folks might experience Benzine-DMT effects, and vice-versa,
but it seems very possible to me that purer-DMT Increases the Chances of purer-DMT effects.

Regardless of any unproven hypotheses, I hope more members here will try Benzine to try purer DMT.
When we say "purer DMT" we mean simply a higher-percentage-of DMT-molecules in the final product.
When we say "purer DMT" we mean simply a lower-percentage-of non-DMT-molecules in the final product.
Can we at least get confirmation from some chemists here, that Yes, Benzine produces relatively purer DMT?

One small note..
Phlux is male.

Thanks for nicely pointing that out Banzie

I guess the following quote by Phlux is what confoozled me about Phlux's gender:
"Perhaps i cant learn from saliva because i have given myself to my sweetie 100%.
Perhaps this is why all my other plants grow well and are happy except for salvia.
Perhaps this is why i cant think of reading a positive salvia report written by a female.
Perhaps this is why i cant think of any female salvia growers."

But now, upon re-reading, I understand the point that HE was making there.
Sorry about that Phlux, bro, regardless of my mistake, your discovery is amazing!

I'm not sure about 'purer spices' effects. I've had crystal clear spice that was inhaled freebase, and the effects were VERY..... pristine, clear, sharp... and extremely fast. Like I was a kid at a carnival that was outlined in an aluminium color-type foil with me as a crystal-discoball of sorts twisting and turning and not knowing or being able to focus on anything...

I do know that it seems to have slowed down a decent amount for me so I can clearly take in all that I 'see'.


Oh btw, when you edited your post, you should have just edited the "her/she" parts into "him/his/he" parts. just some FYI

I used to use washing benzine and the spice is just as yellow...sorry

Washing-Benzine like The Traveler uses is close to being Benzine, but it's still not quite pure Benzine.
I'm suggesting everyone purchases some pure Benzine as Phlux did, to test the effects of purer DMT.
If pure Benzine produces slightly purer DMT, and if purer DMT produces slightly different effects, then...

"Pure benzine" doesn't exist, as benzine is a mixture of several saturated hydrocarbons, usually pentane, hexane and heptane. Different ratios in the mixture of these would probably result in slightly different results. These are more or less the same solvents that is found in naphtha (a different name for hydrocarbons). The two brands of naphtha I use contains a broad range of hydrocarbons in one and heptane and its isomers in the other.

As you can see naphtha and benzine are not the names of two different solvents, but the names of two mixtures of solvents that pretty much interchange. The ratios of the different solvents (hydrocarbons) will vary from brand to brand, thus the labels "benzine" and "naphtha" are pretty much the names of the same thing: saturated hydrocarbons.

Interesting.

I'm learning, thank you.

Well, here is the particular brand of solvent that "somebody" used which produced DMT which produced "special" effects.
As you can see in the attached PDF, it contains "100% LIGHT Naphtha", and "0.2% Toulene", and absolutely nothing else.

The "special" effects were that the "somebody" was both fully-immersed in hyperspace WHILE still connected to his body.
I know this "somebody" is not lying or mistaken about either of those facts which seem in-congruent to some folks here.

So I think it is an interesting coincidence that Phlux also had an eye-open experience, and also used Benzine as well.
If it turns out that Phlux's scientific experiments were correct, yet simply overlooked, this is an amazing discovery.

Folks who prefer OBEs should continue using Naphtha, and folks who prefer staying in their bodies should use Benzine.
My hypothesis now is: 100% LIGHT Naphtha (as opposed to regular non-light naphtha) strips away some disassociative alk.

There must be a reason why my friend's breakthrough was relatively less dissasociative, he's just a regular human being.
Again, to summarize, Phlux found that Benzine produced a "purer" DMT, and I think this deserves serious Nexus testing.

If the "Benzine" product is neither standardized or pure, then I offer the community the results of 100% LIGHT Naphtha:
An accidental overdose of 100%-Light-Naphtha-purified DMT produced a very non-dissasociative hyperspace full-immersion.

Please, do some tests and tell us the difference between "regular Naphtha DMT purity" and "LIGHT Naphtha DMT purity".

My first thought would be "self suggestion". You knew it was different therefore your expectations affected the experience (or your interpretation of it).

If you are interested in being our lab rat, please check this:

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=18175

I have to be honest...I don't think there's much point to this. I've smoked numerous batches from various types of extractions and the experience differs so much from one session to the next that I would be willing to bet that any difference in experience is due to the variable nature of the experience itself, self-suggestion or both.

I'm skeptical of any method claiming to yield, with any sort of regularity, only OBEs, while another "only" produces _______ and another route "only" produces ______. Simply put, this contradicts my direct experience of what DMT does and how it effects and affects individuals.

As has already been stated, “benzine” is a trade name for a blend of hydrocarbons. The same is true of naphtha. Neither is a pure substance, and the compositions vary from manufacturer to manufacturer.

Recrystallization in pure heptane produces a very clean product.

Other than your current speculation, I’ve never heard any mention of “pure” DMT resulting in specific behavioral effects different from less than pure DMT. If you haven’t already done so, I suggest you read Rick Strassman’s book “The Spirit Molecule”. His study used very pure DMT, and there are numerous experience reports from his volunteers.

You still seem to be focused on what constitutes a breakthrough, the significance of OEVs and CEVs, etc. If you are able to open your eyes during a breakthrough, then you’re able to open your eyes during a breakthrough. No need to get all excited and consider this to be the result of “special” DMT or “extra-pure” DMT. That’s just how you respond to DMT. We all have unique physiologies, unique mindsets, personal histories, diets, etc. so it’s not surprising that how we experience DMT will vary. Some of us routinely leave our bodies, others don’t. Some open their eyes, others don’t. Some (few) get up and move around, but most don’t. The individual variability in response to a dose of DMT, especially when examining the finer points of the experience, varies considerably. This shouldn’t be a big surprise.

Here’s a post I made a while ago in a somewhat related thread. (It was claimed that DMT crystal shape changes the nature of the experience.) Here’s the list I included in that post:

Factors Influencing a DMT Experience

· size of dose (how accurate is your scale?)
· substrate used (copper mesh, liquid pad, herbs, ash, screens)
· quantity/thickness of substrate (thick disc, thin disc)
· degree of contact between substrate and sidewalls
· porosity and uniformity of substrate
· distribution of DMT on substrate (evenly distributed, piled in one area)
· physical state of DMT on substrate (solid, liquid)
· presence/absence of DMT residue on substrate from previous uses
· presence/absence of DMT condensate on glass from previous uses

· presence/absence of DMT impurities (oils, plant material, solvent traces, oxide)
· nature of DMT solid state (fine powder, fluffy, granular)
· DMT crystalline structure

· number of inhalations to consume full dose (1, 2, 3 or more?)
· rate of inhalation (slow and gentle, fast)
· breathing immediately prior to inhalation (deep breaths?)
· depth of inhalation (how deeply did you inhale)
· holding time – how long is dose held in lungs?
· rate of exhalation
· total time taken to consume full dose

· type of lighter used (“Bic”-type, butane jet/torch)
· degree of pre-heating of ceramic filter (none, some, glowing red)
· distance flame is held from ceramic filter
· angle of flame (is it striking glass sidewalls?)
· lighter movement (held stationary, moved around, up/down, etc.)
· temperature of GVG (colder glass = more condensation = less consumed)

· familiar vs. unfamiliar setting
· indoors vs. outdoors
· preparation of setting (is setting clean, orderly, pleasant?)
· comfort level of setting (comfortable place to sit or lie down?)
· music vs. no music
· type of music
· volume of music
· presence/absence of distracting sounds (traffic, noisy neighbors, barking dogs, etc.)
· presence/absence of other people
· number of other people present
· degree of familiarity with other people present
· degree of sobriety of other people present
· degree of experience with DMT/other psychedelics of other people present
· light level (dark, dim, bright)
· ambient temperature and other environmental factors (humid?, windy?, stormy?)
· various other setting factors (doing it in a hot tub?, in a shower?)

· anxiety level immediately prior to consuming dose
· baseline psychological factors (are you generally anxious, depressed, happy, relaxed?)
· degree of experience with DMT
· nature of prior psychedelic experiences
· nature of pre-DMT ritual (if any)
· general physical state (energized, tired, aches and pains?, illness present?)
· general psychological state immediately prior to consuming dose
· physical/mental activities prior to consuming dose (long day at work?, walk in a park?, fight with spouse?)
· presence/absence of other drugs in system
· time of last DMT dose (30 minutes, 1 hour, 1 week?)
· presence/absence of foods in system that affect experience (MAOI-containing foods?)
· expectations regarding experience
· beliefs regarding the nature of DMT experiences
· physiological state (blood-sugar level, hormone levels)

benzine = ligroin = pet ether

benzine varies a hell of a lot - but here it seems to be much much lighter than whats commonly sold as naptha.

I should have just stuck to the quantifiable test for CHEMISTS (Burnt, Benzyme, Bufoman, Phlux, and SyZyGyPSy) to perform:








Infundubilum has acknowledged there's a difference. Now we just need the GC-MS results:

Question #1: Using GC-MS, how scientifically quantifiably UN-pure is the final product
(i.e. how many molecules per gram remain of Oxide molecules and "Other" molecules)
within a batch of "DMT" prepared using Regular Naphtha?

Question #2: Using GC-MS, how scientifically quantifiably UN-pure is the final product
(i.e. how many molecules per gram remain of Oxide molecules and "Other" molecules)
within a batch of "DMT" prepared using 100% LIGHT Naphtha?

A simple scientific experiment, nevermind the hypotheses: let's simply measure the molecules.

OK, just to humor your increasingly delusional point of view, let’s say that “benzine” pulls a more pure DMT product than does “naphtha”. (And according to wikipedia, benzine = VM&P Naphtha.)

So what?

GC-MS won't show you if there's any oxide present.

There is no standard definition for what constitutes "regular naphtha"; the precise blend of hydrocarbons varies from manufacturer to manufacturer. Light naphtha similarly varies; it tends to be primarily pentane and hexane (C5-C6), but the precise ratio is variable. Ligroin actually does not refer to light naphtha, it refers to a somewhat heavier fraction of alkanes (C7-C11), and can include a significant amount of alkylbenzenes. It sounds like the whole premise of your idea here is that ligroin = light naphtha, which simply isn't true.

Regardless, I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. Some people have breakthroughs while still being aware of their body. Many people do not. As gibran2 says, this is one of several factors that varies substantially between individuals. I see no reason to believe that some magically super-pure DMT is the reason for this variability. Doesn't individual variability in physiological and psychological reaction to the drug seem more likely to account for the difference?

Also, perhaps it's just an aesthetic quibble, but I find it distracting when you quote yourself at length within the same thread that you took the quote from. I understand emphasizing a relevant phrase or sentence that might have been overlooked, but to quote large sections of your own posts for emphasis seems excessive and districting. Perhaps this is my own issue and others find the redundancy helpful.

Yes, I got that. But "100% light naphtha" is not chemically specific. Is it 33% pentane and 67% heptane? Is it 80% pentane and 20% heptane? (And how does it contain 100.2% total constituents? )

But my point is that this makes all of your previous talk about how benzine/ligroin produce the purest DMT totally irrelevant; you've now essentially reversed your position by claiming that light naphtha is really the way to the purest spice.

Nevermind experience talk. CHEMISTS (Burnt, Benzyme, Bufoman, Phlux, and SyZyGyPSy)



Can we at least get confirmation from some chemists here, that Yes, Infundibulum's statement above is true?