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SWIMs about to do his first extraction! Options
 
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#1 Posted : 2/23/2011 11:57:30 PM
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Ok guys swims about to do an extraction, using Nomans tek.
Got 112 mg mhrb, Swim has seen the tek says to use 1.5x the water for pre-powdered bark (which he has) and some posts say to just use whats in the tek. What should he do?
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#2 Posted : 2/24/2011 2:05:41 AM
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Well, swim is just waiting for 8:42 to roll around. Just got done with step 3. The jar is very deep brown i'd say about black-ish. No bubbles or foam or anything, looks like its all dissolving quite nicely Smile will report back.
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#3 Posted : 2/24/2011 4:40:36 AM

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I've been waiting to hear a report from you!(on both extracting and smoking) Let me know how it goes, friend! Smile
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#4 Posted : 2/24/2011 5:33:37 AM
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just got done a little bit ago! the first jar was put in the freezer a few hours ago and by the time swim got done there were already little white specs forming on the walls (assuming these are forming to crystals!) Smile gonna check tomorrow and see how everything went! Smile
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#5 Posted : 2/24/2011 7:21:42 AM
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Goodluck with the extraction man. See if you can get some pics up of that sucker!
 
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#6 Posted : 2/24/2011 2:43:43 PM

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Goodluck with the extraction man. See if you can get some pics up of that sucker!


I agreee, let us see this white fluffy Smile
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#7 Posted : 2/24/2011 9:38:25 PM
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Well I checked the freezer, and it seems like very tiny crystals formed on the bottom. Did swim do something wrong? He followed the instructions, but came up with a very small yield... or are they supposed to be tiny? Razz
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#8 Posted : 2/24/2011 9:54:38 PM
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just tried pouring a jar through the filter and got nothing :/ damn
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#9 Posted : 2/24/2011 10:28:33 PM
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There were tiny crystals on the bottom but when you tried to filter you got nothing? Sounds like you should let it freeze longer (especially if you don't have the best freezer). And make sure to knock the crystals that stick to the walls of the jar off into the liquid so they pour out.

How much naphtha is in your jar? You might want to evaporate some of it away so there's a greater concentration. This will make it easier to precipitate out the DMT.
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#10 Posted : 2/25/2011 1:42:11 AM
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Its all like frozen to the bottom of the jars and a little on the sides. swim tried scraping some of the frozen stuff off the bottom of the one jar he poured but it melted :/ no crystals were floating around.
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#11 Posted : 2/25/2011 1:50:21 AM

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If the crystals are stuck to the bottom and sides, don't bother filtering (you're bound to lose some melting into the filter, as you discovered). Just pour off the naphtha into another container, let the jar with the crystals dry until it no longer smells like naphtha, then scrape out the dry crystals.
 
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#12 Posted : 2/25/2011 2:04:43 AM
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so swim should just pour it and set it on the counter and check it later?
should he pour the naptha into one of the other jars that are set in the freezer?
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No, do not pour the naphtha into one of the other jars. You indicated that your yield was low already; one possible reason for this is that the solution could be too dilute (Noman's tek calls for substantially more naphtha per pull than I would use). You should probably try evaporating the naphtha to 1/2 or even 1/3 of its current volume, then try freeze-precipitation again.
 
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#14 Posted : 2/25/2011 2:42:45 AM
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Sorry, so should swim pour some of it out and then set it out and put it back in the freezer after its warmed up or just dump a little and the put it straight back into the freezer? Theres very tiny crystals on the bottom and a couple on the sides. Will doing as you advised make bigger ones appear?
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#15 Posted : 2/25/2011 4:18:30 AM
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What Entropymancer is saying is that concentration of the DMT inside the Naphtha is too low. Let's say its 1 part DMT per 10mL Naphtha (ambiguous numbers). If you pour some of it out it will still be 1 part DMT per 10mL Naphtha, there will just be less of the solution.

To fix this and make freeze precipitation easier, let some of the Naphtha evaporate (let it sit out with no cover, maybe with a fan over it for circulation). The naphtha will evaporate but the DMT won't. If you let 50% of it evaporate then you'll have 1 part DMT per 5mL Naphtha and precipitation will be easier.
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#16 Posted : 2/25/2011 6:04:26 AM
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Ohhh I understand now, thank you for clearing that up. So then in turn that will create more crystals?
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"Create" might not be the term I'd used (although technically yes the crystals are being created). All of the DMT is already in the solution, its just a matter of getting it out. If you let all of the naphtha evaporate then you will be left with all of the DMT (in theory).

Freezing it (or decreasing the temperature in general) decreases the solubility of DMT in Naphtha. Say at 0 degrees C 1mL of Naphtha can hold 1 unit of DMT, and at -10 degrees C 1mL Naphtha can hold .5 units DMT. Say you have a solution of 1 unit DMT in 1mL Naphtha at 0 degrees C. If you decrease the temperature to -10 degrees C, the solution is supersaturated (more DMT in solution than can be stable). If the solution is agitated then that extra .5units DMT that doesn't really fit will fall out of the solution and form the crystals.
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#18 Posted : 2/25/2011 7:33:51 AM
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oh ok, i get it. thank you very much for clearing that up! Smile
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#19 Posted : 2/26/2011 1:43:02 AM
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Well, swim just got done drying and getting the crystals. Got a pretty good yield! thank you everyone for the help! its much appreciated!
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What was your yield?
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