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Existentialhero1
#1 Posted : 2/11/2011 9:01:42 PM
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Hey everybody,

My friend has some questions about Spiceman's food grade tek. In the Tek he repeatedly says that he is well aware that the Tek is not the best way to extract DMT. Why is this not the best way of doing it? What are the advantages of doing it another way? Also is the final product( by final product i mean up until where DMT becomes a salt, not all the way to freebase) in this tek pure DMT or does it have other alkaloids or anything else in it. Lastly why do you have to wash the crystals with acetone in the last step, and is there any food grade solovent you could replace that with? Thanks every one I will post the Tek below. Be aware that i am not posting the full tek. I am only posting the parts up to when you would get a DMT salt for oral use, however his tek continues to get freebase DMT.


Mix 1 gram of Sodium Carbonate for every gram of powdered root bark you have in a large glass or metal pan (glass is better). Slowly add water to the bark and carbonate mixture with stirring until a thin pasty consistency is achieved. We have to be sure to add enough water at this point to ensure the reaction can take place smoothly and the heat can flow through the mixture somewhat evenly. At the same time, we want to keep it a little on the thick side basically because its easier to handle this way. Just eyeball it. The consistency of thin oatmeal is perfect.

So what you should have now is a somewhat thick sludge made up of water, bark powder, and Sodium Carbonate. For every 50 grams of bark used, add 1/2 cup of your vegetable oil to this mix. Now set this mixture on low heat and bring up the temperature until it is hot , and steams when stirred.

This mixture should be kept HOT but should not boil. Once it is hot , maintain the hot temperature for 1 - 2 hours (1 and 1/2 is good). During that hour, the mixture should be well but very gently stirred every few minutes. Water should be periodically added to maintain the consistency of the sludge. Just don't let it dry out, you want it to have the same moisture content during the entire procedure. The heat, time, and agitation during this phase spurs on the reaction, ensuring that the weak base actually does the work and freebases all the alkaloids.

Note: If you think you got your original sludge too thin by adding to much water at any point, you can use the above phase to reduce it down. If its too thin, allow it to "steep" until the desired consistency is reached.

Now mix up some acidic water. For every gallon of water add 1.5 cups of vinegar or 1 cup lemon juice per gallon and measure out an equal amount of this acidic water for the amount of oil that you have. (If you have 2.5 cups oil , you'll need 2.5 cups acidic water, a little more wont hurt, but probably wont help either.

When atleast an hour has passed (two cant really hurt) then use something like a turkey baster/dropper type device to remove the oil and add it to your acidified water. If your sludge is thick enough you can probably pour the oil off Stir gently for several minutes. The goodies will attach to the acid in the water forming that particular salt, migrating to the water... leaving the oil on top containing only the oils and fats.

The oil after several minutes of mixing with the acidic water is removed and added back to the original basic bark mixture. This process is repeated a total of three times, each time using the same oil and each time "steeping" for an hour or so. Also each time the oil is removed fresh acidic water is used and at the end combined.

(If a salt of dmt is desired , say for oral use, then at this point, after the oil is removed, the water is allowed to evaporate and the remaining material washed with acetone to yeild beautiful salted dmt crystals)
 

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dreamer042
#2 Posted : 2/12/2011 6:40:21 PM

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Existentialhero1 wrote:

Why is this not the best way of doing it?

While the materials are easy to come by they are much more difficult to work with, extracting into vegetable oil is tedious (though there are many more oils out there that are yet to be tried and there may just be an ideal one), sodium carbonate is not most effective base and having to heat it adds a level of complexity and danger to the project, it's still new and results are unverified.


What are the advantages of doing it another way?

Easier to work with materials that are nearly as readily available. Tried and true teks proven time and again to work effectively by members here. There are just all around more reliable ways of doing things.

Also is the final product( by final product i mean up until where DMT becomes a salt, not all the way to freebase) in this tek pure DMT or does it have other alkaloids or anything else in it.

The salt would be full spectrum containing all alks in the plant.


Lastly why do you have to wash the crystals with acetone in the last step, and is there any food grade solovent you could replace that with?

You will have a goo leftover from the salting process, the acetone cleans it up and gives you x-tals. Not technically food grade but you could use 99% ipa for this as well.

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Existentialhero1
#3 Posted : 2/13/2011 1:31:40 AM
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dreamer042 wrote:
Existentialhero1 wrote:

Why is this not the best way of doing it?

While the materials are easy to come by they are much more difficult to work with, extracting into vegetable oil is tedious (though there are many more oils out there that are yet to be tried and there may just be an ideal one), sodium carbonate is not most effective base and having to heat it adds a level of complexity and danger to the project, it's still new and results are unverified.


What are the advantages of doing it another way?

Easier to work with materials that are nearly as readily available. Tried and true teks proven time and again to work effectively by members here. There are just all around more reliable ways of doing things.

Also is the final product( by final product i mean up until where DMT becomes a salt, not all the way to freebase) in this tek pure DMT or does it have other alkaloids or anything else in it.

The salt would be full spectrum containing all alks in the plant.


Lastly why do you have to wash the crystals with acetone in the last step, and is there any food grade solovent you could replace that with?

You will have a goo leftover from the salting process, the acetone cleans it up and gives you x-tals. Not technically food grade but you could use 99% ipa for this as well.



Thank you so much this was incredibly helpfulVery happy
 
 
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