So, my friend extracted n,n dmt using Q21Q21s Tek. Even though the yield was pretty low, he was successful. SWIM, SWIMs girlfriend, and my friend smoked the DMT over the next couple of days(only SWIMs girlfriend achieved a breakthrough experience, or as far as sje could tell it was almost a breakthrough.) So SWIM decided to let 2 people(females) who were totally unaware of the effects of the molecule experience it. Keep in mind, both people were "party" people, very materialistic, and in some ways superficial. They thought it was going to be one big acid trip, and that its. Boy, were they wrong!

So the first one smoked it, and she felt completely overwhelmed. SWIM could tell she was nervous, and in some ways scared. When it was over, she explained how she "didnt like" the feelings that she was getting, and told us she "never" wanted to do it ever again.

Even though this happened, the second one went ahead and smoked it. She came out of it with a huge smile, saying "Wow i wish i was back there right now." She looked like she had a very pleasant trip, but couldnt really explain what happened.

The funny thing is, the next day, BOTH were asking to do it again! My thoughts are that they both fell asleep that night, woke up the next morning and though "WTF happened yesterday?!" Even the most ignorant, oblivious people can WAKE up!

Has this happened to you, or someone you know?

a lot of first experiences usually go that way, especially if you havent let go of your ego before entering the realm. but the day after you feel so enlightened and more rooted in the earth than you were before, at least for me that it..

The thing is these two subjects have huge egos, and didnt really know how to acknowledge that.
I think the day after they tripped, they realized their egos, thats why theyre asking for more ! It is a battle with your ego at first, once youve won the battle, hyperspace can begin.

Those two girls parallel me and my brother, he smoked it and had a jaw-dropping experience, I had it and was put off.

I think the genuine soul-deep excitement of someone who has just experienced a true-breakthrough, and the energy in their descriptions of it is enough to make anyone who had an uncomfortable first trip think again about not trying it one more time. My brother experienced a rare state of being right in front of me, true awe. In fact that doesn't even cover it, what ever it was though, I want to try it again because of his breakthough.

Maybe the same thing is happening here on some level.

I believe things can go wrong if the unsuspecting are given DMT, but on that note, no one is ever actually ready to experience it for the first time.

Maybe try to push a little meditation technique on them, even the most well known and simple cross legged position was perfect for my first time.

We can all understand what its' like not being able to let go of your body, existence, the self, the ego, call it what you will, it's our home as of now, and I find it comfortable.

This thread made me happy, good post.

Yeah, I don't know... if I'm reading you correctly anyway. If you intentionally understated the experience and then smashed apart a couple of girls because you felt they were materialistic, that's a pretty cold use of the sacrament as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah so you let people try dmt without them realizing what it was? Thats pretty reckless right there. While nothing specially bad seemed to happen with them, it could have. They could have had a seriously existentially-challenging trip that they werent prepared to deal with and couldnt integrate. We have seen before people having psychological issues due to not integrating the experience.

You have to realize the possible serious consequences to others of your actions! Please do not do this again unless the person is well aware of what they are putting themselves into.

Please read the health and safety section and possibly have newcommers read that too (or discuss the contents with them)

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...s_Wiki:Health_and_Safety

Im sorry, let me clear something up, I did give them some knowledge, i told them only what they needed to hear. They knew they were going to experience something unfamiliar, and were both were curious. Its not like i told them it was cannabis, and was actuually spice. Im not THAT ignorant! They knew a fraction of what they were getting into, but hey, dont we all at first? And as a matter of fact, these two subjects are family, so no im not trying to put down these girls, or trying to label them as materialistic. I merely simplified what i knew about them as materialistic, this was just opinion. What I shouldve said, is they have barely any, IF any spiritual awareness, or material awareness. Dont misconstrue my words

Least you gave them warning lol. SWIMs friend told him that it was similiar to a strong MDMA trip. SWIM nearly brokethru to hyperspace in one hit (saw the "portal" but didn't walk through). SWIM believed his friend because he thought info online was exaggerated, if anything it's under-exaggerated x.x. I think your mom should be fine if you're upfront about the intensity and experience she will encounter. I hope one day to find a way to introduce this to my dad. Some reason I'd think he'd benefit from it.

So you told them that this could potentially seriously mess with their head and lead to an existential crisis? That after a breakthrough some people have panic attacks just trying to put the pipe to their lips?

No offence, but who are you to decide how much they need to be told?
Giving somebody any mind altering substance (especially one as powerful as dmt) without fully explaining the consequences is nothing to be proud of imo.

Yeah man been there & done that and I can say it really isnt fun to be in an existential crisis. Hoo boy. But on a second thought, can anyone really explain to anyone what DMT can be like? Im not saying what Perceptual Reality did was right, but when many people ask me what DMT is like, I really cant give them a good description, all I can say that it will be like nothing you can imagine and if you are not careful it can really mess you up. :S

Whoa, whoa, first of all, none of you even know these subjects. I wouldnt be criticizing if I were you. Im sorry if you assume anything out of my first post, but i guess the ignorant will always be ignorant. Im sorry that YOU had bad first experiences and were in "existential crisis." If I know anything, its that, YOU PERCEIVE IT THAT WAY. This doesnt apply for everyone. Obviously if i would've told them about any negative effects that could happen, the risk for these effects wouldve increased due to their mental state. And, how exactly would i have EXPLAINED DMT? I expected intelligent responses to this post, not ignorant PERCEPTIONS of the simple minded. Remember, my blue can be your green. My hate, can be your love. Dont make YOUR experience EVERYONEs experience, because it isnt and will never be. On that note, actually THINK before you respond. Thank you

Also Im not saying that what you did was wrong But people here tend to get on their tippytoes when we hear that DMT have been given to other people without telling about the risks that are involved with it. We just are concerned of everyones wellbeing. And of course the fact that these people wanted to try it makes the world of difference. Its not like you gave them a joint of salvia and told it was weed

Exactly! I had good intentions when i had them smoke it, I knew it would open their minds. And, if this effect had any negative effects on them, why would they ask me the next day for more?

SWIM has never suffered an existential crisis from DMT, but many, many reports of individuals experiencing one appear in the Nexus. Quite often from people who had no negative expectations of it, whatsoever.

I don't believe that you assertion regarding knowledge of the risks is backed up by the communal experience here at the Nexus at all. There's a reason everyone who joins the Nexus is directed to the Health & Safety section of the wiki.

This line chills my blood and reminds me of CIA run bordellos that dosed johns without their knowledge.

Getting lucky doesn't justify this for me in any way.

People have offered a different view to what you posted, criticism which were meant with the best intentions and none with disrespect. Your reaction to these criticisms has IMO been disproportional (just read back the tone of the responses compared to yours).

This offensive tone and name-calling of "ignorant and simple minds" has no place here in the Nexus. Please try to maintain an attitude of respect even if you disagree strongly with people

you told them what they needed to hear? Im sorry but you dont know shit. Period. You smoked DMT one time and never broke through..that doesnt give you the right to even talk about it, let alone give it to people after you "tell them what they need to hear"..go do some real work before you start to act like you know whats up and dose other people.

If you go drive a car in the snow near a steep ledge and don't know if your tires are any good, would you still drive like a maniac? Or would you consider the probability that your tires are worn and that you should drive very, very slow since you just don't know?

The answer is of course that you should be very, very careful when you don't know. Your 'positive' outcome could just as well have been a bad one. You are not the one to tell them only 'the parts they need to know', you should tell them the good and the bad and let them think about that for a while before handing them any. DMT is no a toy and smoking it is not a game.

On the DMT-Nexus we don't go off telling people DMT is the best in the world and all should take it without any risk involved, thats reckless and potentially dangerous.


The Traveler

My words have been misunderstood yet again, and I dont mean to have a disrespectful tone at all. Also, I'm not "name-calling." I'm basing opinions and criticizm off of ignorance. You dont know entirely what they were told, or what they knew, and are speaking out of snap judgement. I havent had a breakthrough, that is true. I wasn't even the one who had them smoke it, or suggested they smoked it. Their sister had a breakthrough, and is more experienced with the intense effects. She explained DMT, and they wanted to try. They DIDNT smoke it immedately, and did have a chance to think about it. When they were ready they smoked it. I have, in fact, had many underdoses and pre-DMT anxiety experiences. I am in no way treating DMT like a toy, and it shouldnt be assumed that i am. If anything, I didnt want them to smoke it, but their sister did, so what was I to do? My purpose was to find out who else this has happened to, and what the outcome was, because in this case it was "positive."