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Psychic Head
#1 Posted : 1/28/2011 3:42:52 AM

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So, after perusing the Nexus, which I love, I want to extract some MAOI from Caapi using this TEK. Even after reading the discussions on the Nexus I am still unsure how to proceed for dosing. I'm thinking of ingesting the MAOI extraction prior to smoking DMT but how much MAOI, what route, and how soon before smoking DMT do I take? Any suggestions or experience?

I'm 5'10, 225lbs, very healthy (constant weights, racquetball) and eat fairly well.

I have read of dosing the MAOI sublingually, smoking, and eating.

Another thought: What would one think of making changa using powdered Caapi vine infused into Caapi leaf and then infusing equal parts vine-infused leaf : DMT? Or would that be the same as infusing the MAOI extraction from the aforementioned TEK into Caapi leaf and then make Changa with that and the DMT? Wut?

One more thought: I'm looking into starting an MAO-free diet, if possible. More research is needed on my part for that; I don't even know if that is possible. DMT is starting to become a lifestyle!Very happy
Everything posted here is hypothetical in nature and represents only the ramblings of an aspiring fiction-writer (d)elving into character study for fame and monetary gain. None of the above has ever happened nor is intended to be taken at face value.

Psychic Head

And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.

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Psychic Head
#2 Posted : 1/28/2011 4:13:04 AM

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# Aged cheeses (including cheddar, American, mozzarella as on pizza; cream cheese, farmer cheese, cottage cheese are considered safe)
# Yeast extract (may be a component of certain canned soups; baked products raised with yeast are acceptable)
# Red wine (especially Chianti; white wine in moderation will not cause a hypertensive reaction)
# Beer or ale (tyramine content varies from lot to lot)
# Pickled herring, canned sardines, anchovies, caviar
# Any meat or fish which is not fresh, freshly canned, or freshly frozen (including lox, salami, sausage, corned beef, liver pate)
# Broad beans or fava beans
# Canned figs, stewed or overripe bananas, overripe avocados
# Caffeine*
# Soy sauce*
# Raisins*
# Liver (dangerous when not fresh)

This is what I found from googling; the asterisk indicates "safe in limited amounts".

(Tyramine-containing foods)

From my research MAOI interact with tyramine-containing foods to induce a hypertensive crisis. The human body can process endogenous tyramine but not exogenous, or outside sources of tyramine while being dosed with MAOI.

This is from the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry. 1996 Mar;57(3):99-104. The making of a user friendly MAOI diet:

"We recommend that users avoid aged cheese; aged or cured meats (e.g., air-dried sausage); any potentially spoiled meat, poultry, or fish; broad (fava) bean pods; Marmite concentrated yeast extract; sauerkraut; soy sauce and soy bean condiments; and tap beer. Wine and domestic bottled or canned beer are considered safe when consumed in moderation. Other foods not mentioned are considered unrestricted."
Everything posted here is hypothetical in nature and represents only the ramblings of an aspiring fiction-writer (d)elving into character study for fame and monetary gain. None of the above has ever happened nor is intended to be taken at face value.

Psychic Head

And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.

Doctrine and Covenants 89
 
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#3 Posted : 1/28/2011 9:59:22 AM

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Psychic Head wrote:
So, after perusing the Nexus, which I love, I want to extract some MAOI from Caapi using this TEK. Even after reading the discussions on the Nexus I am still unsure how to proceed for dosing. I'm thinking of ingesting the MAOI extraction prior to smoking DMT but how much MAOI, what route, and how soon before smoking DMT do I take? Any suggestions or experience?

I'm 5'10, 225lbs, very healthy (constant weights, racquetball) and eat fairly well.

I have read of dosing the MAOI sublingually, smoking, and eating.

Another thought: What would one think of making changa using powdered Caapi vine infused into Caapi leaf and then infusing equal parts vine-infused leaf : DMT? Or would that be the same as infusing the MAOI extraction from the aforementioned TEK into Caapi leaf and then make Changa with that and the DMT? Wut?

One more thought: I'm looking into starting an MAO-free diet, if possible. More research is needed on my part for that; I don't even know if that is possible. DMT is starting to become a lifestyle!Very happy


Regarding dosage, check this thread out

If its for potentiating smoked DMT, then just ingest the harmalas whichever way you decide (for example sublingual or oral) and smoke the DMT when you start feeling the effects of harmalas, which may be anywhere between 10-30mins

As for MAOI diet, check the FAQ, its not really necessary for harmalas (except for contra-indicated pharmaceuticals/drugs which are still dangerous).

and the changa questions, I think its bad idea to use caapi vine. Smoking vine tastes bad, and doing an acetone/IPA soak as people do is a very inneficient way of extracting harmalas, people are losing a lot of actives that way. I suggest using caapi leaves and if you want extra harmala, extract it as a normal A/B (like the link you posted) and then add the extracted harmalas to the changa.
 
Psychic Head
#4 Posted : 1/28/2011 3:00:08 PM

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Endlessness: Thanks! You saved me some time and money! I will report soon on my results. Some big stuff will be developing so in a month's time...
Everything posted here is hypothetical in nature and represents only the ramblings of an aspiring fiction-writer (d)elving into character study for fame and monetary gain. None of the above has ever happened nor is intended to be taken at face value.

Psychic Head

And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.

Doctrine and Covenants 89
 
 
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