DMTime
Posts: 7 Joined: 31-Jul-2008 Last visit: 13-Aug-2008 Location: Tryptamania
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#1  #2  Just for kicks SWIM plans on picking 5 pounds, running it through a juicer, washing the juice with solvent, raise the ph to 14, extract alkoliods with solvent then freeze. Swim needs to know if pic #1 & 2 are the correct choosings
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Posts: 94 Joined: 19-Mar-2008 Last visit: 17-Dec-2019 Location: glasgow
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dont know mate,but looking forward to seing your results.
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DMTime
Posts: 7 Joined: 31-Jul-2008 Last visit: 13-Aug-2008 Location: Tryptamania
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SWIM thinks #2 is wrong and #1 is either young canary reed or something close but SWIM having trouble finding anything that looks like this  Maybe the grass looks different in the vegatative / flowering stage
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Posts: 4639 Joined: 16-May-2008 Last visit: 24-Dec-2012 Location: A speck of dust in endless space, like everyone else.
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#1 doesn't look like canary reed.#2 does on the picture, but if you want to be for sure: the seed husks in canary reed always come in rows on several 'branches' so it looks a bit like a hand with it's fingers if you look closer. Sometimes, but not always, the leaves heve a sort of zebra stripe.
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1# could be phalaris aquatica, but photo too blurred to be sure.
2 is not arundinacea for sure.
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DMTime
Posts: 7 Joined: 31-Jul-2008 Last visit: 13-Aug-2008 Location: Tryptamania
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SWIM ended up using grass that looked like #1, these plants were young no more that 12 inches tall. After the alkaloid extraction their seems to be a massive emulsion that just will not dispurse This is the emulsified solvent with the first h2o wash on the bottom  actual plants used  
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yea there is going to be a lot of lipids in such an extract. try acidifying to lower pH defatting and then going back to base.
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DMTime
Posts: 7 Joined: 31-Jul-2008 Last visit: 13-Aug-2008 Location: Tryptamania
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Ill tell SWIM to not skip out on the defat for the future experiments, but after pouring off some solvent from the fats and freezing nothing precipitated. Could one simply evap the solvent, or gas with hcl? Any experimental suggestions here?
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Posts: 2291 Joined: 26-Mar-2008 Last visit: 12-Jan-2020 Location: The Thunderbolt Pagoda
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The lake that I like to swim at is has a nigh-bottomless supply of canary reed grass, and I know for sure that it is in fact phalaris arundinacea. I'm itching to give it a try, but I don't have a wheat juicer. I've heard that the highest alkaloid content is in the leaves, so I would probably just harvest the leaves; it'd be easier to send through the juicer as well. I'm wondering what the typical alkaloid content of the juice itself would be. I've heard that it's just not worth the effort, but I figure that if it works out well, I've got a free, abundant, and local supply of spice.
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The Great Namah
Posts: 3433 Joined: 18-Jan-2008 Last visit: 17-Sep-2020 Location: The place entites go when they smoke allspice
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amor_fati wrote:The lake that I like to swim at is has a nigh-bottomless supply of canary reed grass, and I know for sure that it is in fact phalaris arundinacea. I'm itching to give it a try, but I don't have a wheat juicer. I've heard that the highest alkaloid content is in the leaves, so I would probably just harvest the leaves; it'd be easier to send through the juicer as well. I'm wondering what the typical alkaloid content of the juice itself would be. I've heard that it's just not worth the effort, but I figure that if it works out well, I've got a free, abundant, and local supply of spice. The alkaloid content varies dramatically. Just pull off a couple of kilo's of leaves and go from there. Just remember to defat the heck out of it. It is not going to be anywhere as clean a profile as from Mimosa, but it sure is a good way to get a free supply. The Spice extends life
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I'd be all over it already if it were easier for me to get a juicer. I had a couple kilos way back, but only had a blender; I ended up having to get rid of the material anyway. So many setbacks!
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what you can do is freeze it and then thaw it a few times to break open the cell walls...and then blend the piss out of it...take all that liquid gunk and do some defats...and then once thats done...basify and extract..do freeze precip...and then after that you can recrystallize and possibly end up with some beautiful xtalz
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