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mistmann
#1 Posted : 10/19/2010 12:49:22 AM
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Take 1 qt. Ball jar, add 600ml's cool, DISTILLED water.

SLOWLY add 100 grams pure NaOH to the distilled water in the jar in WELL VENTILATED area. water will get quite warm to touch...go slow...stir often...stay upwind...and ALWAYS add powder to water.

When NaOH water is clear in jar and cooled to room temperature, add 100grams broken up mimosa hostilis inner root bark. i am useing powder bark

After you have added the bark, put the lid on and swirl it around every hour or so to release DMT into the solution. Wait EXACTLY 24 hours or more and then add 150ml's of Naphtha to the jar.

Swirl the naphtha you added to the jar around with the NaOH water and bark in the bottom. You will notice that the naphtha will all float to the top, bringing JUST DMT along with it. Swirl the naphtha around everytime you see it seperate all the way so it brings the DMT up.

You will notice that the naphtha will slowly get a yellow tint to it which means that there is DMT in it...Take a turkey baster(preferrably skinny top) and suck out HALF of the naphtha in there to ensure that you dont pull up any of the bottom NaOH. Put all the naphtha you suck out in a 1/2pint jar and freeze COLD with the lid on.

Within 24hours of the jar in the freezer, DMT should form stuck to the bottom of the jar.

Slowly, carefully pour the naptha in the 1/2pint jar back into the main jar, leaving the DMT, which will stick to the glass, behind. Allow every pourable drop of naptha to exit the jar and you won't have problems with DMT re-dissolving back into any minor residual naptha as it warms. Don't worry about the DMT floating in the cold naphtha solution you poured back...we'll get it all eventually....After EVERY DROP drips out, put the jar somewhere to dry the DMT. Preferrably upside down with the top accessable to air. When the DMT is fully dry, it should crumble when scraped and smell like a new pair of leather shoes.

Scrape the DMT in the bottom of the jar on to a glass slab or something. Handle it like keef from hash-making.

The residue of DMT left behind in the jar will be redissolved when you again add your next pull of naphtha in it. So basically you will be repeating and repeating this again and again until your DMT yields get nothing. Your DMT will also get yellow as you keep pulling. This is normal. The yellow is plant oils and other things that are in the bark.

after about 3-5 pulls then we go into makeing jungle spice, remove all the naptha out of the jar. then add 150ml's of xylene swirl around for a couple of hours, then pull 1/2 the xylene and put it in a evap dish, this is smell like shit, which is good, when it evaps all the way you have jungle spice, repeat this steap 3-5 more times.

im hoping for a 1% yield on both is this possible? is there anything i can do that will be better? what does everyone think? please leave lots of feedback. i still have no found a jungle spice for dummies section so i hope i have all this correct?
 

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gammagore
#2 Posted : 10/19/2010 5:29:53 PM

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mistmann wrote:
Take 1 qt. Ball jar, add 600ml's cool, DISTILLED water.

SLOWLY add 100 grams pure NaOH to the distilled water in the jar in WELL VENTILATED area. water will get quite warm to touch...go slow...stir often...stay upwind...and ALWAYS add powder to water.

When NaOH water is clear in jar and cooled to room temperature, add 100grams broken up mimosa hostilis inner root bark. i am useing powder bark

After you have added the bark, put the lid on and swirl it around every hour or so to release DMT into the solution. Wait EXACTLY 24 hours or more and then add 150ml's of Naphtha to the jar.


You dont need to wait that long before adding the naptha, a couple of hours is enough. 150ml naptha is too much for the first pull, go more like 40-50ml, and pull till you dont get anymore spice(you should do about 3-5 pulls of 40-50ml). This way the solvent is supersaturated and the DMT will crash out easier when freezing.

mistmann wrote:
You will notice that the naphtha will slowly get a yellow tint to it which means that there is DMT in it...Take a turkey baster(preferrably skinny top) and suck out HALF of the naphtha in there to ensure that you dont pull up any of the bottom NaOH. Put all the naphtha you suck out in a 1/2pint jar and freeze COLD with the lid on.

Within 24hours of the jar in the freezer, DMT should form stuck to the bottom of the jar.


While yellow does give a hint that there is some DMT it also means that there is some other fats/oils that have been pulled too. Ive pulled clear naptha plenty times that has yielded spiceSmile

Ive also found those HDPE #2 jugs work a wonder here, the neck is narrow and im able to squeeze the jug to get to the last little bit of naptha. Its gonna be a pain to get that naptha out if you have a wide mouth jar thats being used.

mistmann wrote:
after about 3-5 pulls then we go into makeing jungle spice, remove all the naptha out of the jar. then add 150ml's of xylene swirl around for a couple of hours, then pull 1/2 the xylene and put it in a evap dish, this is smell like shit, which is good, when it evaps all the way you have jungle spice, repeat this steap 3-5 more times.


Id do the same as above with the xylene too, do smaller pulls, 3-5 of em or till there is no more jungle.
Evaping xylene is harsh dude, it really smells soo bad and lingers for a long time. If you do evap it, make sure to dissolve it in some clean acetone and evap it, repeat till no trace of xylene is smelled.Or you could crash the jungle out by FASA( as endless kindly advised in the "jungle" thread)

The rest of it looks fine, you seem to have the general idea of whats needed, best of luck!!
 
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#3 Posted : 10/19/2010 6:55:07 PM

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gammagore wrote:
This way the solvent is supersaturated and the DMT will crash out easier when freezing.


Although it is a very sound advise (more smaller pulls = better extraction), I dare to disagree with some points.

The solvent would not be saturated, let alone supersaturated. DMT will migrate to the NP solvent in proportion to the so-called distribution coefficient.

To make the solvent super-saturated, i.e. containg more DMT that the solvent can dissolve under a certain temp you would need to distill some solvent from the solution, i.e. reduce it.

IME Heptane pulls from 50 g of mhrb could be reduced to 15-20 ml before the solvent starts to cloud, that is an indication that the solvent is supersaturated.

Reducing your solvent before freeze-precipitation is useful if you want to make sure that most of your spice will crash out. Alternatively, you may evap solvent remaining after freeze-precip and collect more dirty spice. You may also keep this solvent for some future extractions.
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